UFO's, 1 in 7 billion chance of being observed

The typical debunking argument is, "if extraterrestrial intelligent life came by now we would see them." Well if any of the UFO claims from the past are true and were controlled by extraterrestrial intelligent life then even back then no one saw them except for 1 or 2 people.

We have 7 billion people on this planet, and out of all the non-mass sightings in recorded history it's 1 or 2 people who see the craft. On some occasions the odds will be 0 out of 7 billion observations. The 1 or 2 people who observed it previously might only see it once in their whole lifetime, and lots of people's stories support that.

Is observation of the Universe only relevant to the observer? The choices and probabilities are only relevant to the observer?

So my observations are 1 in an infinite number of possibilities?

Are UFO's entering in an out of different observations? Or are UFO's entering in an out of different possibilities?

Could this be why only 1 or 2 people see them?

If we did't have an imagination we wouldn't be able to observe UFO's, as some say we are imagining them, then why are they observed on radar too?

So UFO's are observed by radio waves and brain waves. Are UFO's utilizing electromagnetism too? Is this why there are claims of recordings of radiation at UFO sites?

Are UFO's emitting electromagnetic radiation as they enter in and out of observation? UFO's have been observed to shut down or malfunction electrical devices during encounters.

In short the little we know about UFO's explains a lot about UFO's and confirms why we know so little about them. They exist in various aspects of nature and reality that we cannot fully comprehend because we simply cannot observe it completely. We have special relativity theory but we don't know exactly what it will look like on the "other side" when we rip a hole through reality space time. Any of us who have witness a UFO or alien encounter it literally feels like a dream or figment of our imagination, and scientist have concluded there is concrete evidence we are imagining it.

Do you think UFO's will help us understand the Universe more so than we could ever imagine?

Are they beings from another planet and have discovered how to travel the Universe or do they come from a parallel existence?

originally posted by: game over man
even back then no one saw them except for 1 or 2 people.

We have 7 billion people on this planet, and out of all the non-mass sightings in recorded history it's 1 or 2 people who see the craft.

Could this be why only 1 or 2 people see them?

Completely ridiculous and innacurate.

originally posted by: game over man
If we did't have an imagination we wouldn't be able to observe UFO's

Any of us who have witness a UFO or alien encounter it literally feels like a dream or figment of our imagination

I've seen 4 and was fully awake and aware each time.

What's the time scale? Is it 1 in seven billion per year, hour, decade, or what? The liklihood of 1 per seven billion is useless without time.

a reply to: game over man

Do you think UFO's will help us understand the Universe more so than we could ever imagine?

No , I think Alien spacecraft would do that but there is a difference between them and UFOs.
UFOs generally turn out to have a logical explanation behind them , an Alien spacecraft is an Alien spacecraft but as far as I'm aware there is no real evidence to show they exist in our skies.

Are they beings from another planet and have discovered how to travel the Universe or do they come from a parallel existence?

I'd accept either , both are equally as exciting.

originally posted by: paraphi
What's the time scale? Is it 1 in seven billion per year, hour, decade, or what? The liklihood of 1 per seven billion is useless without time.

I guess at any given moment? I know I need a time frame which would be the amount of sightings/encounters each year for however many years UFO's have been observed and the observations recored.

The problem is there are arguments if we're even seeing a true UFO or it is an actual natural phenomenon?

I'd say 1 in 7 billion chance per visit to Earth to be witnessed.

If there is a species of intelligent life visiting our planet and they have the technology to achieve intergalactic travel then I contend that if you or anyone else for that matter has seen a legit UFO, meaning extraterrestrial, then it's because they wanted to be seen.

I most definitely believe in ET, but whether they have the technology or intelligence to achieve things 1000's of years beyond what humans are capable of is up for debate.

a reply to: gpols

Then for aliens to drop an electromagnetic GPS pin on our particular observation of the Universe in that specific time frame of probability for us to view them is pretty incredible! Far beyond our understanding, but maybe we will understand it one day.

Everybody should look up the word "U.F.O" and study its meaning before commenting on ATS

a reply to: game over man

Hypothetically speaking if aliens are traveling around in the galaxy they are camouflaging themselves. So you wouldn't be able to see them through a telescope or anything like that.

You wouldn't want to be flying through space in a shiny metallic object. You'd want to observe what is going on without being detected and even tactically from a defense stand point being camouflaged would be preferred.

a reply to: game over man

Well if any of the UFO claims from the past are true and were controlled by extraterrestrial intelligent life then even back then no one saw them except for 1 or 2 people.

The one time I saw a thingy 'back when', I was with five or six others who all saw it and another group of complete strangers nearby that also saw it. So thats at least ten people right there.

I doubt many of them retold the tale since because 'back when', ridicule was mostly the result and right now, unless you have more than subjective here-say, people tend not to believe you. Or think you mistook something natural or man made.

I don't really care too much, I know what I saw, nobody can take that from me.

U.F.O Usually Flying Overhead

But i have seen three strange things i can't explain & i have first hand witnessed the TR3B/Black triangle.
Over london in 2012. (never reported it & Don't care if anyone believes me)

My thought's are it is probably military.

a reply to: Spacespider

You don't know what UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT implies in the Alien/UFO forum on ATS? Are you kidding?!?!?

If you can identify the object it's no longer labeled a UFO it's labeled exactly what it is...Objects that we have a hard time identifying flying in the sky remains unidentified because it doesn't appear to be anything we can identify with. You should look up the definitions of identify and unidentify before commenting on ATS. Based on many observations of the behavior of unidentified flying objects there has been 1000's of conclusions that the unidentified flying object is intelligently controlled. Who the occupants are, that's up for debate.

a reply to: gpols

Alien space craft could be traveling through the galaxy as you say camouflaged, but I think they are more advanced than say cloaking, they're not even in our 3-D observations, but traveling through a manipulation of space time/special relativity.

To answer your questions. I think it very likely that some of the ufo's are indeed from elsewhere in our galaxy or universe. I think its likely that some of the occupants could be both living as well as robotic in nature. From many things I have read about how many universes are there, there are some scientists that think there are more than one, and there are scientists and others who do believe in a parallel universe as well. So many possibilities.

I've seen 4,dang wish my odds were that good in Vegas,not a chance it's amazing what some epithany's some come up with,but I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion,even if suspect

a reply to: intrptr

Of course multiple people can see a UFO or for the ultra politically correct a possible alien space craft (holy cow some of you are so critical over the semantics of the acronym UFO, it's insanely annoying).

However with all the witnesses it's never produced solid evidence to prove the existence of intelligent extra terrestrial life visiting Earth, so might as well round down the number of witnesses to 1 because it doesn't matter if 1 or 10 people saw the alien craft because there is no smoking gun evidence.

To continue this argument over numbers, 1 out of 7 billion is closer to 10 out of 7 billion...compared to 1 million out of 7 billion.

There has never been a mass alien space craft sighting with millions of witnesses, because that would be like aliens visiting Earth and revealing themselves. Like over the city of Los Angeles in broad day light for a couple of hours.

So to argue with me about there are instances with more than 1 witness is kind of silly. The point of bringing up this thread is how I think intelligent alien life visiting earth in their unidentified space craft operates.

I can't say I agree with this. I've seen a few UFO's in my lifetime that I just can't explain.

Got anything statistical to back up those numbers you've tossed out game over man? if not no probs you can't really get stats on something like this can ya?

a reply to: game over man

There has never been a mass alien space craft sighting with millions of witnesses, because that would be like aliens visiting Earth and revealing themselves.

Indeed. The world would freak, the Paradigm would crash. Instantly and literally overnight governments would lose power, religion would lose control, people would riot, start burning buildings and each other and there would be mass chaos and mass death.

Why would they want to do that? That would be the cruelest joke, the sheerest form of invade and conquer, without even firing a shot. Better to leave things be, prime directive and all.

Lets put it a different way. If you were growing a vegetable garden, why would you disturb the plants negatively, trying to 'make contact' with them or influence them to do your bidding? Ridiculous isn't it?

They make selective appearances, I know sawer one, but I can't prove it and thats as it should be, I guess.

As far as multiple witnesses and corroborative evidence, there are plenty of 'incidents' where mass sightings were backed up by radar confirmation and even chase planes in at least one incident, the 'Washington Flap' of 1952.

And yet, except for newspaper articles and eyewitness reports, nothing survives in the public realm. Thats a cover up. Here we are over 60 years later and we all go nah, no proof, just a hoax.

originally posted by: game over man
a reply to: Spacespider

You don't know what UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT implies in the Alien/UFO forum on ATS? Are you kidding?!?!?

If you can identify the object it's no longer labeled a UFO it's labeled exactly what it is...Objects that we have a hard time identifying flying in the sky remains unidentified because it doesn't appear to be anything we can identify with. You should look up the definitions of identify and unidentify before commenting on ATS. Based on many observations of the behavior of unidentified flying objects there has been 1000's of conclusions that the unidentified flying object is intelligently controlled. Who the occupants are, that's up for debate.

Sure just make up your own rules what words means..
UFO is not a alien craft..
A alien craft is a alien craft and a UFO is somehing flying and unidentified

Before you say its 1 in 7 billion you have to remember that probably 25/33% are asleep, a couple of percent are more concentrated in the jiggy jiggy a well as things like taking a visit to the toilet and everything else people do from washing the floor to breast feeding a baby amd given most places have roofs even sitting down to read the paper will reduce the odds.

People also very rarely look up as we're more a ground predator sort of species so we generally keep the eyes low.

Its actually pretty rare for the average human to want to look up at the sky