Castro. The last of the greats is Dead. Entering an Era of Mediocrity

a reply to: seagull

The point of the OP isn't about good leaders.

It is about cults of personality.

a reply to: Willtell


i can tell you first hand being born in cuba and nearly not escaping alive with my family from that sh1t hole where you were in a constant fear for your and your families life, that you have absolutely no idea what your talking about if you think castro was a great man.

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Willtell

Exactly.

The only thing Castro was great at was putting people to death via firing squad.

Men woman and children. I won't post the pictures here. But you can google them yourself.

If you believe in human rights. There's no way you can say this was a great man.

I have friends and family who have had their loved ones put to death by Castros government.

You really need to stop calling this guy great. He was a murderous bastard.

I'm not educated enough about this man to give an opinion. I will study up and go from there.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Willtell

John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King

I guess somebody should tell you.

Fidel Castro was the antithesis of these people.

And how would we ever know?..The country that gave us the Kennedy's and the Kings went on to murder all three whilst trying to assassinate Castro 300 times + ....All the while placing embargos on the Cuba for 50 years, Not to mention stealing one of it's islands and turning it into a place of torture without trial....The US can only dream of a health service like the one Castro built and a real hero like Castro at the helm....Who's the bad guy here..?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Incorrect. Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is not an island. It is part of mainland Cuba. The United States also did not "steal" Gitmo. They have been leasing the area since 1903.

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I, along with another poster here have pointed out how it is wrong to classify Castro as a hero.

The bad guy is Castro. There is no way to paint this man in a positive light. He is a murdering thug. One that killed men, women and children.

a reply to: StallionDuck

You forget the fact that the waters close to "El Malecon" are shark infested. Cubans haven't simply drowned trying to get out of the hell-hole that the communist dictatorship of Cuba is. People have been eaten by sharks trying to escape, they have been drowned by Cuban military boats that would stop Cubans they saw trying to leave, etc.

Fidel castro was no great man... He was an a$$hole who deserves what he, and his communist family and friends, will get in hell for what they did to Cuba.

a reply to: marg6043

Actually that's a misrepresentation. Cuba wasn't "full of casinos and mafia". Not to mention that the majority of Cubans, even among the middle class, could not use these casinos. This is a perception that is wrong, and only people in the left will try to tell you that Cuba before the castros was full of corruption. Yes, there was corruption, but corruption didn't make Cuba. it's like claiming that in Nevada only corruption rules and everyone else is poor...

Cuba was back then, even during Fulgencio Batista, known as the "jewel of the Caribbean". The streets were in really good condition back then. The streets were illuminated, there was no "electricity rationing or food rationing" like it started happening after the castros took control.

In Cuba every house had a tv when in the U.S. still there were millions of people without tvs.

This wasn't because "of the casinos"... The casinos were for tourists who had the money to gamble large amounts of money.

Cuba was great because people had good jobs, and could get good jobs. There was a lot of food, including for "farmers" and Cuba had all the technological innovations at the time before the castros took control.

Yes, there were people who were poor, but nothing like what happened after the communists took over. It was communism and the castros which made most Cubans poor and starved us. i had friends in Cuba, many now live in the U.S., who had a small family in Cuba and could not afford to buy enough food when the food arrived and at times all they had was some bread for two days or so to eat, if they had bread.

I remember that when items, like "pollo" (chicken) or flour, or things like that would arrive in the bodega, whomever was the first neighbor to realize that the items arrived he/she would tell(yell) to everyone in the neighborhood block because things would run out. People would leave whatever they were doing and run to the "bodega". I would go sometimes with my mother to get the stuff and remember her urgency before too many people arrived.

If you had money, which most people didn't, you could buy one pair of shoes a year, and you could choose for a nuclear family a t-shirt and "calzoncillos"(boxers) for the males in the house OR one pair of underwear (a bra and a panty) for the women/children. Just one of the two, and only if you had the money to pay for them, and it didn't matter how many people were in the house.

Cubans have had to learn to get whatever supplies they can get from "the black market" to be able to survive". A lot of those items, including clothes, were discarded clothes other people/children have/had outgrown. Clothes had to be passed down from children to children and even then there wasn't enough clothes more so for Cubans living in "pueblos" (small towns). If you go to a Cuban small town with an old t-shirt for every person, people will thank you for the rest of their lives.

This is what the castros and communism did to Cuba. To all those people who keep claiming that Cuba is poor because of the embargo?... They are lying to you. Cuba is poor and a dictatorship because that's what socialism/communism does to a country.

Cuba has had relations until a few years ago with European nations, and with Canada, yet that NEVER helped Cubans. It only helps the communists in charge.

Look at Venezuela. They have the same rationing system of Cuba, and the same rationing system of other communist regimes.

a reply to: Willtell

Indeed the death of the Great Fidel Castro is the--at least symbolic and maybe literal--death of all the great leaders in the world.

Maybe for now. but our future leaders are still youngsters. I am sure there will be a few young geniuses that will make great leaders. However, if TPTB stay in charge those young future leaders will not have an opportunity to lead. TPTB anoint whom they want to lead. Its been this way for many years and will continue to be this way for many more.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: marg6043

Cuba was back then, even during Fulgencio Batista, known as the "jewel of the Caribbean". The streets were in really good condition back then. The streets were illuminated, there was no "electricity rationing or food rationing" like it started happening after the castros took control.

Jewel of the Caribbean ca. 1950


You know, I have no problem with calling the Castros out on human rights violations. However, when great partners of the Americans like the Saudis and Chinese commit egregious crimes upon their own people, all you hear is crickets from the Castro haters.

And if we are cataloging the evils brought upon Latin nations by their rulers, why does the US get a free pass in supporting regimes in Columbia, Honduras, El Salvador, and so on and so on...?

The hypocrisy is staggering.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

First of all, care to give us the link to where you got that photo?

Second of all, I have made in the past several threads about the human right abuses in China, and other places. But got to wonder how many times YOU have made threads exposing the human rights violations of left wing dictatorial regimes...

Not to mention your obvious attempt to derail the thread. is the thread about Honduras, or Colombia, or El Salvador?... That's without mentioning the fact that THE CASTROS trained and sent resources to "revolutionaries" around the world whom have committed human rights abuses to their own people", including places like Colombia by training and giving resources to the FARC, Angola, etc...

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

BTW, here are some videos showing Cuba before the revolution.



Here is a video compilation showing Cuba before and after the revolution.



And Canuck... Cuba was the wealthiest country in the Caribbean and Ibero-America in general... (to recap some more that the videos cover)

Cuba had the third highest per capita income in the western hemisphere. Cuba had double the income of Spain and Italy combined. Stores were ALWAYS fully stocked, and people could buy food, or other staples any time they needed or wanted. That was before communism and the castros.

That is until the castros and communism took over.

Here is another vintage video showing how stores were fully stocked, before the castros took over. Havana was a "true progressive city" and not in the way the left thinks "progressivism is". You can turn subtitles on for English subtitles in case you can't hear the commentary.

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a reply to: DBCowboyYes that pig castro besides almost starting WW3 in 1962 crushed the Cuban nation taking one of the most prosperous nations in the Caribbean and leaving it in shambles. Guess what the average wage is in Cuba these days....20$ a month. Maybe Bernie would like to apply for the new position that has opened.

These people are only considered great because they were the first leaders in the modern age of media propaganda.

The effect has worn off over time. Not so great anymore.

The derp is strong with the OP.

To call Castro anything other than a despot is being unfair to the Cuban people who were forced to live under his thumb.

This is what the schools have given us today. Even when history is pretty clear on the atrocities he committed, they ignore it.

The left is worried about "fake news" and in the mean time they are teaching revisionist history. Hypocrites.

When I smoke a true fat Habana I use to smoke it like El Comandante. There is no other acceptable way to smoke it.
At least some little good battle has to be won before one can light it up and righteously celebrate.
It was not meant to be abused by any pu$$ies. Unlike Cuba. Cuba and Castro cannot be separated.
She is not dead and Castro will remain a daddy of the good ole days. He will be around forever like the face of Che. A symbol.
My favourite dictator for sure. Not interested in a 4 year dictatorship and puppets.
A man capable of very long speeches able to reeducate you if someone ducktaped headphones to your head.
Shame on those involved in undignified celebrations of his passing. Losers cannot beat a symbol like this.
You cannot judge him by today's standards (so low btw) without a very long trip through history.
I'll need to spend 3-day food money and burn one to his honor. Man shall not live by bread alone I guess.
R.I.P.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

First of all, care to give us the link to where you got that photo?

Second of all, I have made in the past several threads about the human right abuses in China, and other places. But got to wonder how many times YOU have made threads exposing the human rights violations of left wing dictatorial regimes...

Not to mention your obvious attempt to derail the thread. is the thread about Honduras, or Colombia, or El Salvador?... That's without mentioning the fact that THE CASTROS trained and sent resources to "revolutionaries" around the world whom have committed human rights abuses to their own people", including places like Colombia by training and giving resources to the FARC, Angola, etc...

a) Not sure where I got that photo. Just set aside because I knew it would come in handy. You're right, though, I should be able to cite the source.
b) I talk about inequity when I think I have something to add to the conversation, but it isn't my life's work.
c) Adding necessary context is not derailing anything. And If you can't admit to the proxy wars being fought, you're not going to listen to anything I have to say, anyway.
d) I'm not going to be the guy that you march into a debate claiming that Castro was an angel. But you have a pretty cheery vision of the 'Good Ol' Day's under Batista. Good luck with that.