Intifadeh of Fire

One week later: Where is the evidence of an 'arson intifada?'

The police has yet to declare a single wildfire an act of terrorism, the commissioner says arson is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and many cases of suspected terrorism turned out to be nothing more than negligence. This, of course, does not bother Israel’s leaders or media.

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But what do we actually know about this wave of wildfires? We know that there were 1773 different fires according to the Israel Fire and Rescue Services. The police were called to 90 of these “events,” 40 of which were investigated for a number of crimes (including negligence, as well as arson and attempted arson). The Israel Tax Authority announced that nine of the fires will be counted as nationalistically-motived arsons, yet the police and the fire and rescue services were quick to respond that the list was not based on facts, and that there is no way to prove that any of the nine fires were the result of arson.

On Friday the Israel Fire and Rescue Services released a statement according to which 40 of the fires were the result of arson. The majority of these took place beyond the Green Line. Inside Israel, five of the arson cases took place inside Nazareth (several residents have already been arrested), which teaches us that arson does not always mean terrorism.

Sources in the police told us that as of Thursday morning there were 17 people under arrest, from both Israel and the occupied territories, who are being interrogated for suspected arson. Only one indictment was served against a resident of Umm al-Fahm, who set fire to a pile of garbage in protest of the local authorities. Among the detainees are residents of Nazareth, Deir Hanna, and Sajjur, all of whom are suspected of lighting fires near their own villages. The police also refuses to provide more precise details or a final suspect count — since they still don’t have the answers.

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We know that members of the Knesset from the Joint List, who represent the Arab public in the Knesset, were committed to putting out the fires and in helping to ease the tensions between Jews and Arabs — to put out the fires that Netanyahu and his ministers tried to ignite. Imagine if instead of escalating and inciting, our prime minister would emphasize all the positive aspects living alongside one another.

But what we got from our politicians and the media — the story most Israeli citizens believe — was a completely different one from what happened. It is possible that we will discover that the fires were the result of horrific arson attacks, in which case we will need to bring the perpetrators to justice. But as of right now, the biggest danger facing us are the fires being lit by our leaders and the media.

Funny seeing some of you immediately shout "WHERE IS THE PROOF??", yet claiming Israel blamed this whole thing up to get world sympathy.

Here are a few of videos;

First video (not youtube)


So yeah, bye.


To the poster above me:

The police has yet to declare a single wildfire an act of terrorism

Wonder how hard your silly source tried to spin this.
People have already been arrested for burning, many of them admitted to the crime. All of them Arabic residents.

Currently discussions are taking place to see if it's appropriate to label it as a crime or a terrorist act. Mainly due to insurance causes.

a reply to: 1337Kph

No one ever said there haven't been fires, it's about their labelling as arson and the instrumentalization of them :

Why Israelis Can't Accept That Climate Change Is to Blame for Fires

When Israel was being swept by fires last month, left-wing journalists posted a map on social media noting other fires that had broken out across the entire Middle East region during the same period. Using NASA data from the Global Forest Watch website, the map indicated the locations of dozens of fires throughout the region – from the Nile Delta to the banks of the Euphrates in Turkey.

This regional viewpoint makes it clear that the fires in Israel were part of a broad phenomenon which meteorologists tell us related to the extreme dryness. In short, it turns out that the principal cause of the fires was not a wave of arson fomented by the enemies of the Jewish people, but extreme climatic conditions, which victimized large swaths of the region. The fact that November was dry and warm, and that winter and its rains tarried, created optimal conditions for fires to break out.

But data of this kind are unlikely to confuse the overheated opinion of the Jewish majority in Israel. Maps and satellite images are something for matriculation exams in geography, and macroclimatic data are of no interest even to Danny Roup, Israel’s iconic TV weatherman.

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While Nietzsche cited the ancient Greeks as an example of a people living within a dream or collective myth, it seems to me that present-day Israelis are an even better example. The Israelis have never recognized the existence of an external world. In philosophical terms, this is not an ethical but a conceptual problem: We are completely wrapped up in a collective dream within a mythical world from which exit is almost impossible. Our world of life is the mythology whose beginnings are at Mount Sinai and whose end is the Netanyahu family. Nature revolves around us. And because the idea of nature refers, by definition, to what is external to humanity and history, Israelis in effect do not recognize the existence of nature. No empirical data will make us change our viewpoint, for the dream will always be more vivid and more powerful.

A scary thought. But it also explains why issues such as climate change don’t really interest Israelis. After all, how can there be a danger to mankind that is unrelated to our specific existence? Rabbis explained vast climatic events like Hurricane Katrina by intoning that “Bush was behind the expulsion from Gush Katif,” referring to the Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip that were evacuated that same summer in 2005. After all, there is no danger to humanity that doesn’t occur without being a reward for the people of Israel.

Also, almost everyone — homeowners, insurance companies and the finance minister — benefits from the Israel Tax Authority’s hasty decision to declare the recent blazes politically motivated arson :

How Israel’s Wildfires Became an Act of Terror

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: 1337Kph

No one ever said there haven't been fires, it's about their labelling as arson and the instrumentalization of them :

Why Israelis Can't Accept That Climate Change Is to Blame for Fires

When Israel was being swept by fires last month, left-wing journalists posted a map on social media noting other fires that had broken out across the entire Middle East region during the same period. Using NASA data from the Global Forest Watch website, the map indicated the locations of dozens of fires throughout the region – from the Nile Delta to the banks of the Euphrates in Turkey.

This regional viewpoint makes it clear that the fires in Israel were part of a broad phenomenon which meteorologists tell us related to the extreme dryness. In short, it turns out that the principal cause of the fires was not a wave of arson fomented by the enemies of the Jewish people, but extreme climatic conditions, which victimized large swaths of the region. The fact that November was dry and warm, and that winter and its rains tarried, created optimal conditions for fires to break out.

But data of this kind are unlikely to confuse the overheated opinion of the Jewish majority in Israel. Maps and satellite images are something for matriculation exams in geography, and macroclimatic data are of no interest even to Danny Roup, Israel’s iconic TV weatherman.

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While Nietzsche cited the ancient Greeks as an example of a people living within a dream or collective myth, it seems to me that present-day Israelis are an even better example. The Israelis have never recognized the existence of an external world. In philosophical terms, this is not an ethical but a conceptual problem: We are completely wrapped up in a collective dream within a mythical world from which exit is almost impossible. Our world of life is the mythology whose beginnings are at Mount Sinai and whose end is the Netanyahu family. Nature revolves around us. And because the idea of nature refers, by definition, to what is external to humanity and history, Israelis in effect do not recognize the existence of nature. No empirical data will make us change our viewpoint, for the dream will always be more vivid and more powerful.

A scary thought. But it also explains why issues such as climate change don’t really interest Israelis. After all, how can there be a danger to mankind that is unrelated to our specific existence? Rabbis explained vast climatic events like Hurricane Katrina by intoning that “Bush was behind the expulsion from Gush Katif,” referring to the Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip that were evacuated that same summer in 2005. After all, there is no danger to humanity that doesn’t occur without being a reward for the people of Israel.

Also, almost everyone — homeowners, insurance companies and the finance minister — benefits from the Israel Tax Authority’s hasty decision to declare the recent blazes politically motivated arson :

How Israel’s Wildfires Became an Act of Terror

So i guess you missed the security camera videos right above your post?
Spontaneous infernos from nowhere?

originally posted by: dashen
So i guess you missed the security camera videos right above your post?
Spontaneous infernos from nowhere?

But what do we actually know about this wave of wildfires? We know that there were 1773 different fires according to the Israel Fire and Rescue Services. The police were called to 90 of these “events,” 40 of which were investigated for a number of crimes (including negligence, as well as arson and attempted arson). The Israel Tax Authority announced that nine of the fires will be counted as nationalistically-motived arsons, yet the police and the fire and rescue services were quick to respond that the list was not based on facts, and that there is no way to prove that any of the nine fires were the result of arson.

Facts guys, facts ... Nobody in this thread doubted for second Israel's ability to scapegoat and whine.
Why would the behaviour of Israeli MSM, be any different that these of other countries : biased rhetoric promoting, in this case victimisation, who's ultimate goal is to seek a reason to go after the Palestinians once again.
When you only have 9 fires would could eventually be considered as arsons out of 1773, you'd better rely on good propaganda to sell the story as a 'Fire Intifadah'.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

i will ask again. did you see the video or not?
also source for your quote please

a reply to: dashen

I watched the vid ...
While you didn't read the article I posted otherwise you would have noticed I provided already its source ...

Your link said i need a subscription to read it.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: dashen

I watched the vid ...
While you didn't read the article I posted otherwise you would have noticed I provided already its source ...

a reply to: dashen

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: dashen

I watched the vid ...
While you didn't read the article I posted otherwise you would have noticed I provided already its source ...

No subscription needed for the link in the post on top this page.

Looks like the Israeli MSM are having the same kind of Fake news issue as the US ...

Two months on, still no evidence of a 'fire intifada' in Israel

Over the last couple of days several people have sent me an article by Kalman Liebskind from last Friday’s Ma’ariv newspaper, which cited statistics from Israel’s Fire and Rescue Services on the wave of fires that swept Israel at the end of November. The piece claimed that almost all the fires investigated by the authorities were due to arson.

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Israeli officials have thrown out varying figures over the last two months, and it’s still not clear how many fires we’re talking about and whether they were large, medium or small. We still don’t know exactly what percentage has been investigated, what caused the fires, how many took place in the occupied territories and how many inside Israel. We also don’t know how many fires were lit before and after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu cried “arson terrorism” (a declaration which, according to Police Chief Roni Alsheikh, became a self-fulfilling prophecy).

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One last thing: as long as there are no established facts that point to a wave of nationalist arson attacks, the most important question remains that of the story politicians and newspapers told at the end of November, without being in possession of the stats.

The reality is that as the fires burned, Jewish and Arab citizens as one had to tackle the flames in their communities, who were called on together to put out the blazes and take in refugees from the fires, and who stood side-by-side during the crisis. But the story Netanyahu and the media gladly and eagerly told — of Jews who had fallen victim to Arab terror attacks by fire — was one-sided, distorted and without any basis in fact. And as of yet, no one has been held accountable.

I love how you keep mumbling about facts, climate change, lack of proofs after you've seen the videos that pretty much destroy your inane rambling.
Even funnier that the videos came before you started ranting.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
When you only have 9 fires would could eventually be considered as arsons out of 1773, you'd better rely on good propaganda to sell the story as a 'Fire Intifadah'.

When you have multiple recorded footage(s) of arson including arrests in a single week while the 2nd most trended hashtag on twitter was #burnisrael in arabic, you better rely on good old ATS to buy your silly claims that it's propoganda because not all fires have been filmed.

And wait, so you admit that 9 were arsons? Does that go well with the 'Israeli propaganda' you're trying to spew? You know the potential damage of a single man-made fire on purpose (ARSON) in a dense greenery area when it's 35c degrees out and no rain?

Don't let me disturb you CRYING though.

a reply to: InstantRemedy

Facts ... not bold statements.
Guess who is at the forefront of the propaganda :

Education Ministry still blaming Arab citizens for 'arson intifada'

By now it is clear to all that the fires that erupted in Israel late last year were not the result of nationalistic arson. So why does the Education Ministry claim otherwise?

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What proof does the Education Ministry have that the fires were actually deliberate, nationalistic arsons by Arabs? Why is it lying to students? After asking for comment, the ministry claimed that the booklets were based on police statements. But this is untrue; in fact, at the end of November the police reported that it could not determine that any of the fires were nationalistically motivated. After we debunked this claim, the ministry said that it based its information on reports in the media, and directed us to Education Minister Naftali Bennett’s office. He has yet to respond to our questions.

Let’s not forget what Bennett said on November 23, 2016, was the first one to incite: “Only those to whom the land belongs are unable to burn it,” hinting that Arab citizens were responsible for the fires. In fact, it is likely that the Education Ministry simply based its information on the incitement and racism that Bennett spewed in the media, turning it them into fact.