Why the Jill Stein recount is the single biggest election news since the election

I'll start out by saying I joined up here last night because I was floored by this latest development in the 2016 elections. I've already been involved in numerous discussions on this topic and no offense to anyone in particular, but quite frankly I don't get the impression that this news has really sunk in yet with most folks. This needs to be said right now, TRUMP'S ELECTION IS NO LONGER A SURE THING. Now you can argue any point you like, how YOU don't expect the votes to change, this is just a big waste of time, etc etc but the fact of the matter is that as of yesterday 11/23/16 most people in this country, like it or not, had accepted that Trump won and had secured a very safe margin of electoral college votes in case there were any dissenting voters in Dec. Now here we are 24 hours later and quite frankly those 50k total votes that Trump won the 3 contested states by is feeling a bit thin for comfort imo. Is not anyone else feeling the least bit uncomfortable knowing that the FINAL count is completely out of our hands and will now be "recalculated" once again and further that this is so obviously not about Jill Stein or has anything to do with the Green party? Am I the only person getting a weird, nagging feeling that something doesn't seem quite right about this sudden development?

a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Why exactly is Stein doing this? What can she expect to gain with a recount of the 3 most closesly contested states? Don't even try to tell me it has anything to do with her votes being miscalculated, this woman didn't get a single electoral vote nor did she even come remotely close.... and did not anyone else find the fact that it took MI 15 days to finalize their results a bit odd? Yes I know they used paper ballots but several other states do as well and they were able to report in a timely manner, what was going on up there for the last 2 weeks?

originally posted by: Voiceofthemajority
I'll start out by saying I joined up here last night because I was floored by this latest development in the 2016 elections. I've already been involved in numerous discussions on this topic and no offense to anyone in particular, but quite frankly I don't get the impression that this news has really sunk in yet with most folks. This needs to be said right now, TRUMP'S ELECTION IS NO LONGER A SURE THING. Now you can argue any point you like, how YOU don't expect the votes to change, this is just a big waste of time, etc etc but the fact of the matter is that as of yesterday 11/23/16 most people in this country, like it or not, had accepted that Trump won and had secured a very safe margin of electoral college votes in case there were any dissenting voters in Dec. Now here we are 24 hours later and quite frankly those 50k total votes that Trump won the 3 contested states by is feeling a bit thin for comfort imo. Is not anyone else feeling the least bit uncomfortable knowing that the FINAL count is completely out of our hands and will now be "recalculated" once again and further that this is so obviously not about Jill Stein or has anything to do with the Green party? Am I the only person getting a weird, nagging feeling that something doesn't seem quite right about this sudden development?

You are not alone. The vote recount and the issues raised with the electoral vote are both giving me a terrible gut feeling like somehow THTB will get their way. I surely hope I am wrong.

originally posted by: Voiceofthemajority
Am I the only person getting a weird, nagging feeling that something doesn't seem quite right about this sudden development?

No, you are not. I have the same feeling...

originally posted by: Voiceofthemajority
a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Why exactly is Stein doing this? What can she expect to gain with a recount of the 3 most closesly contested states? Don't even try to tell me it has anything to do with her votes being miscalculated, this woman didn't get a single electoral vote nor did she even come remotely close....

This IMO is just a way to cause more chaos by using Stien to do the dirty work.

Just because she raised some money doesn't mean its going to happen. There are still some other hurtles she has to jump through. Even if they do recount them all, Trump would have to loose all 3 states. Even if he lost 2 of them, it would then go to the House Of Representatives who would surely choose Trump and not Hillary. This whole thing is pointless.

It is weird that Jill Stein would be doing it as she has no chance in hell of even getting 1 electoral vote. She dislikes Hilary as much as Trump people do so I don't see why she would be doing it on behalf of her.

a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

I thought she was smarter,but in the long run,she looks like that stoner Johnson in a female form,no doubt paid by Soros

Anyone who thought the NWO/politicians with much to lose (DNC) would go quietly into the night is sadly mistaken. Now we will get to see just how far they are willing to go. The news reports of 4 million illegal votes being used should figure into the equation but alas I doubt it will. Stien is so far removed down the totem pole of the elite she is the perfect surrogate to use for the up and up dirty work if any.

originally posted by: FauxMulder


It is weird that Jill Stein would be doing it as she has no chance in hell of even getting 1 electoral vote. She dislikes Hilary as much as Trump people do so I don't see why she would be doing it on behalf of her.

That is a good question. She's just a tool in this case because it's much more convenient for Hillary to Jill calls foir recount instead of her... But why did Jill accept this role? They had to put a lot of pressure on her...and I don't think they would be doing this if they are not serious about this whole thing. I think the Clinton clan is going to go "all in" in this. Maybe they don't have any other choice, it's all or nothing for them. I knew this was not going to end so easily...

originally posted by: FauxMulder

It is weird that Jill Stein would be doing it as she has no chance in hell of even getting 1 electoral vote. She dislikes Hilary as much as Trump people do so I don't see why she would be doing it on behalf of her.

I actually don't think it's weird that she's doing this, in fact it's a brilliant move by the Clinton cabal. Hillary gets one more chance at getting elected and regardless of the outcome, she is able to claim she had nothing to do with it. She has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I really don't understand Jill Stein's motive nor reasoning in all of this. What is to be gained? If Hillary Clinton had NOT conceded to Trump and was seeking a recount, I would understand that...but Jill Stein? Is it just a ploy to stay relevant and be noticed?

Why did Hillary concede in defeat so readily? Is it possible, she had inside knowledge that a recount would not be helpful nor change anything?

originally posted by: Voiceofthemajority

originally posted by: FauxMulder

It is weird that Jill Stein would be doing it as she has no chance in hell of even getting 1 electoral vote. She dislikes Hilary as much as Trump people do so I don't see why she would be doing it on behalf of her.

I actually don't think it's weird that she's doing this, in fact it's a brilliant move by the Clinton cabal. Hillary gets one more chance at getting elected and regardless of the outcome, she is able to claim she had nothing to do with it. She has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Why would Jill Stein do this for Hillary? She does not like her and heavily criticized her during the campaign. What incentive would Stein have to do this?

originally posted by: brutus61

originally posted by: Voiceofthemajority
a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Why exactly is Stein doing this? What can she expect to gain with a recount of the 3 most closesly contested states? Don't even try to tell me it has anything to do with her votes being miscalculated, this woman didn't get a single electoral vote nor did she even come remotely close....

This IMO is just a way to cause more chaos by using Stien to do the dirty work.

Bingo - that is exactly what it is.

Keep in mind, though, that there is no evidence of any fraud beyond the fact that in one state Clinton performed 7% lower in districts using electronic machines. As has been pointed out, this is because more Democrat areas use paper ballots and when you control for the demographics of the voters, the discrepancy disappears.

All 3 states would need to be flipped on the recounts for Hillary to win. If that happened then this will drag on through 2017, with counter challenges, and presumably Obama will stay in office.

originally posted by: alomaha
I knew this was not going to end so easily...

That makes two of us.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: brutus61

originally posted by: Voiceofthemajority
a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Why exactly is Stein doing this? What can she expect to gain with a recount of the 3 most closesly contested states? Don't even try to tell me it has anything to do with her votes being miscalculated, this woman didn't get a single electoral vote nor did she even come remotely close....

This IMO is just a way to cause more chaos by using Stien to do the dirty work.

Bingo - that is exactly what it is.

But what purpose does chaos serve in the big picture here? I think you're both underestimating the Clintons. Their assets, connections, contacts and so on are legendary. They don't give up, they don't like losing and they have a habit of getting the last laugh on everyone. Personally, I don't think Hillary has accepted that she lost yet and maybe I'm wrong but I'm guessing there are going to be plenty more twists in this saga before it's all said and done.

If there is a recount, It'll show Trump won by more and that some of Clinton's votes were invalid and she'll lose them.

Dont you think if Hillary thought she won or wasn't trying to hide anything She would call for a recount herself? But she's not she hasnt said anything not one thing about it and that's because she already rigged it but didn't in places she thought she was already going to win.. and shes not questioning it because she knows if they look into it, it'll be suspicious on her behalf. Trump never had enough money or influence in the upper Powers to rig the election and there's no way the Russians rigged it, there's never been evidence to say that ever.

Just keep believing what the msm are telling you, you'll soon forget all what they've been saying and you'll move on with your life like all the others who believe it too.

You never know you might realise Trump actually has the better interests and cares for America more then last 3 or 4 Presidents combined. His not even President yet and his already destroyed tpp which is something you would never want.

Stein was trying to raise $2.5m for this, and now the new goal is $4.5m.
This is way beyond the fees for a recount.

For example, there are 6,679 wards in Wisconsin, with a fee of $5 per ward. Something like $34,000 in fees for the whole state to be recounted. I can't see lawyers fees making up the rest.

Someone is getting rich.

Ever wonder WHY they are fighting so hard to try and overturn the election?

Is it really because of who won or because the person who won is not a LIFETIME politician?

Someone new who isn't a career politician is moving into the Presidency.

I think it scares the hell out of a lot of people.

a reply to: justneo

I think you're preaching to the choir here, no need to convince us who deserves to be in the big chair, this is a 100% pro-trump thread.

I just hope you're right about the recount numbers but this is actually one of my biggest concerns. Let's be honest, when we're dealing with electronic devices and storage, history has shown us that even the best defenses are able to be defeated. I'm not just talking about hackers. Who's to say the machines weren't tampered with in the days AFTER the election in anticipation of this recount and with the foreknowledge that they would be re-examined.

Or what the heck has been going on up in MI for the last 3 weeks? They're not the only state with paper ballots...