Trump to tap S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley as U.N. ambassador

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: luthier

I'm just pointing out that in your rush to be overly sensitive to one group, you are dissing the other.

Sometimes, we are confronted with things we would prefer not to be. Do you think the Germans enjoy leaving up the concentration camps?

I think I pointed out that there is a monument and a museum and it's unreasonable that the redneck laid all that garbage on Haley.

There is literally no good logic in saying Haley destroyed and desiccated a monument to civil war vets.

a reply to: ketsuko

Wars always only benefit the rich and they're always fought by the poor. Just look at Afghanistan and Iraq. How many soldiers do you think profited from the acquisition of oil rights or had stock in Halliburton? I'm guessing few to none. But they fought because those in charge were able to convince the populace that the people from those countries were trying to change or way of life. In the end the only thing that was really accomplished was massive profits for Dick Cheney and his friends.

Now I am aware that the Civil War was fought over more than just slavery. However to say that the have nots won't fight in wars that only benefit the haves ignores all of human history.

This is getting way off topic

For those of you saying history needs to be taught to better understand the civil war...it does

However, there is literally ZERO argument that the confederacy was constitutional or something the fore father's supported. They literally stopped the war several times while they were in power. Jackson squashed a big revolt.

I just don't want to hear anyone ever use any "forefather" arguments ever again or I will point directly back here where you point out the validity of the confederacy.

Even on real terms. The revolt lost. It's over. Like the libs going nuts on campus. It's over deal with it. I don't want a hilary clinton flag because of all the people that died because of her either.

a reply to: luthier


You may live here, but you're still not getting it.

It used to fly on top of the state house. Some people wanted it gone, some wanted it to stay.

A compromise was reached, and it was removed from the top of the state house and put on a poll at that memorial.

We who defend our heritage here ALREADY COMPROMISED.

But no...that was not good enough. Instead after a very horrifying incident in Mt. Pleasant, and because we didn't go around protesting and burning down buildings (but instead joined together), people were not happy. They needed something else to scream about because those of us here in SC were not doing what they wanted us to do (riot, burn, loot, etc). So they found something, the flag.

And so someone from out of state that doesn't even live here climbed up that pole and took the flag down. Because we were not being stupid and acting out like they do in other states.

So then our gov, decided that she needed to do something, so take the flag down and put it in a building, hid it away, because you know, we're suppose to be ashamed of our heritage.....and this was another compromise.

What's next? Destroying the museum? They are already moving monuments and calling for other things to be destroyed.

I do live here. It's my state, and I'm not happy with those that would attack my heritage.

We already compromised before. This is exactly how our gun rights have been slowly eroding. Because we are suppose to compromise all the time, and we do....and again.....and again.....and again.......

ENOUGH. I'm through compromising

a reply to: ketsuko

There a bit of a difference though. No one is glorifying concentration camps or the slave trade.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
I personally despise Haley. She ordered the desecration of Confederate War Memorials in SC.

But at least I can see a bright side to this: she's out of US domestic policy, and if anyone needs desecration, it's the UN. Maybe she'll demand the national flags get taken down there too.

TheRedneck

Exactly why I loathe her as well. She should have left the whole Confederate Flag talk alone and let it be.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Well half the people here in this city are slave ancestors.


How about we, right next to the war statue we put one of 5 slaves in shackles? Would that be OK with you? Or Medgar Evers? It was a good compromise.

If not explain the logic in your rant.

It's rediculous. This whole town has civil war monuments.

When they come for the museum I will fight with you. Until then there is no reason based argument.

Another falacy going around is this is about honoring family....

It's not. You can honor your family with gravestones and cemetery monuments.

This is about honoring an unconstitutional revolt our forefathers were very much against.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ketsuko

There a bit of a difference though. No one is glorifying concentration camps or the slave trade.

So we should vilify the ancestors of those who fought on the losing side? I don't think that's fair. Like it or not, they are still Americans. They still fought bravely defending home and family.

I think anyone who thinks we are headed into another Civil War now ... even thinks it might be the answer because a certain candidate lost ... ought to stop by this thread.

a reply to: luthier

Yes, it is getting off topic. I pointed out my feelings on Haley and my reasons. You're free to disagree.

Just remember the history of that war is my personal family history. Family is everything here. If you think I will be silent on the insults you heave at me and mine, you're in for a rude awakening. It ain't gonna go down that way. That's what I'm free to do.

I suggest you read up on the racist that was Abraham Lincoln, and the actions of the war criminal know as William Tecumseh "Uncle Billy" Sherman. The history books lied to you.

Back on topic: Haley's actions were on part with removing the American flags from Arlington. Thank God she'll be in New York and not DC.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: windword

Because trump needs woman to squash public critiques. Haley is a good speaker, and it's a twoofer since she is a Sikh with immigrant parents.

What's in it for her? She has a sweet position as the youngest Governor, the 1st woman Governor and the first Indian Governor in her state, AND, her term isn't up until 2019. If Trump is a one term President, which seems likely, she's a ringer to run for President again in 2020! She could be posturing for a 2020 run right now, instead of being sent out of the country, doing the job of informing the President on UN meetings, boring human rights and such.

originally posted by: luthier
Another falacy going around is this is about honoring family....

It's not. You can honor your family with gravestones and cemetery monuments.

This is about honoring an unconstitutional revolt our forefathers were very much against.

Actually, the Founders were split on that. Jefferson believed the States should be paramount. Adams believed the Federal entity to be paramount.

a reply to: ketsuko

I think anyone who thinks we are headed into another Civil War now ... even thinks it might be the answer because a certain candidate lost ... ought to stop by this thread.

Amen!

Working it's way toward two centuries now... and the wounds are still fresh. I guess that's to be expected when you treat wounds with regular doses of salt.

TheRedneck

a reply to: windword

She isn't a good legislator per say. She isn't bad but her logistical ability is kind of second to her deal making, diplomatic nature. I don't think she would be a great pres, or vice other than bringing people to the table, but sec of state is a good position for her if she continues to develop.

a reply to: luthier

I would have absolutely NO issue at all to have a monument like that. It is, unfortunately, part of our heritage, and it would be simply showing it.

Those that study and learn SC history know full well that without the enslaved people, SC would have ended up as a failed colony in the 1600s. It was the slaved people that knew how to plant and grow rice here in the low country and made it into a cash crop. Without it, SC would never have made it back then.

When the first continental congress decided on a trade embargo with Britain, they made a single exception with SC to still sell it's rice to them. Again: without the enslaved people, SC would never have become a dominant colony like it did.

I have NO issue at all in honoring those enslaved people. They were part of our heritage, and pretty much the reason SC existed and thrived back then. I would be just as outraged at someone trying to remove a memorial like that as I am about the rebel flag.

It's all part of our history. The good, the bad, and the ugly. It should never be hidden, but should be there for all to see and to learn from.

a reply to: ketsuko

Uh that is not the same as secesion and I hope you know this and how the legislated process happened.

Jefferson never believed there should be a separate country.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: TheRedneck

OK so walk 200 feet and go to the entire museum.

Front and center directly after the sidewalk in view centered on the capital is a stone memorial. Included are engraved Confederate flags.

You also live in a society where other people ancestors had memories and history that needs to be considered.

Your particular situation doesn't need special attention....you sound like a snowflake.

Not saying you are a snowflake but that is an entitled opinion.

You don't care how other people who died in the other side feel about it.

Columbia is 50 percent black.

Charleston was the center of the trade...we have lots of historical families of all kinds. As a Gov. You find a way to accommodate the people you govern.

It wasn't a problem until the Summer of 2015. That flag and memorial was hurting nobody, except ironically, snowflakes. Staying on topic, this is why I don't like Haley, because she caved into political correctness.

a reply to: luthier

Not being able to drive or walk through certain neighborhoods without being shot at offends me, are they going to do anything about that?

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: luthier

I would have absolutely NO issue at all to have a monument like that. It is, unfortunately, part of our heritage, and it would be simply showing it.

Those that study and learn SC history know full well that without the enslaved people, SC would have ended up as a failed colony in the 1600s. It was the slaved people that knew how to plant and grow rice here in the low country and made it into a cash crop. Without it, SC would never have made it back then.

When the first continental congress decided on a trade embargo with Britain, they made a single exception with SC to still sell it's rice to them. Again: without the enslaved people, SC would never have become a dominant colony like it did.

I have NO issue at all in honoring those enslaved people. They were part of our heritage, and pretty much the reason SC existed and thrived back then. I would be just as outraged at someone trying to remove a memorial like that as I am about the rebel flag.

It's all part of our history. The good, the bad, and the ugly. It should never be hidden, but should be there for all to see and to learn from.

Well the citizens reps seem to be far more concerned with representing the civil war vets then the people who built the south or this state with huge black populations would have more historical monuments.

Also seems odd the flag was raised in 61 when the civil rights fighting and legislation was going on.

a reply to: luthier

How about we, right next to the war statue we put one of 5 slaves in shackles? Would that be OK with you?

As long as it is a seperate memorial, it would be fine with me. It's an accurate depiction of heritage. I would go so far as to defend it if someone wanted to desecrate it.

A memorial is exactly that: a tribute to memory, including both good and bad. To attempt, to even desire, to change a tribute to someone else's heritage is a level of insensitivity, arrogance, and hate that I cannot fathom. It ranks right up there with grave-robbing... a cowardly and spiteful act against the deceased.

Memorial desecration should be punished similar to high treason. Death by firing squad is inadequate.

TheRedneck