Trump disavows 'alt-right' supporters

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Hazardous1408

The American Nazi Party approved of Obama back in 2008, just to add a little context.

The media's tirade on white supremacy is giving these bastards too much attention, ultimately helping them grow in ranks.

I do wonder if that's the ultimate plan.

The media doesn't do something for nothing.
& my conspiratorial side just sees it as a guided format.

This was a good move for Trump, prior to him making the statement I honestly thought he was rallying along with the other alt-righters. By alt-right I mean white nationalists.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

You know what they're doing.

They're marching orders are to do everything they can to destroy the presidency before it even gets started.

Major cognitive dissonance on this 'alt right' meme. It's the new "tea party" thing. Attach a label and destroy everything with the label.

Trump disavowed the neo-nazis, which is great. But it's everyone else in the main stream media who is saying 'alt right' = 'neo nazi.'

Do people here not realize that ATS is one of the main 'alt right' sites as far as mainstream media are concerned?

It's good that the vast majority of ATS users do not see this as a neo-nazi site or support such things, but do you not realize that when they drag the "alt-right" label through the mud like this that ATS and its posters are very much included? We are all in fact primarily included in this finger pointing. I can see people not catching that because regulars here know how false it is, but don't kid yourself, ATS has been labeled as "alt right" and put in the crosshairs as such by the main stream media.

originally posted by: darkbake
By alt-right I mean white nationalists.

If that's so then why not just say white nationalists to mean white nationalists?

The only purpose of false labeling like this is an attempt to tar with the same brush. Take all the internet Trump supporters who hate the mainstream media and label them all white nationalists.

To make people more comfortable with falsely labeling so many people, first they define the internet Trump supporters as 'alt-right.' Then they redefine alt-right to mean white nationalist. Now they have everyone caught up in serious cognitive dissonance.

All the Trump supporters on the internet posting on this site and other less popular sites like it are considered 'alt right' by the mainstream media. They are targeting the 'alt-right' because it is being credited with significantly helping Trump win.

Honestly, all he has ever needed to do imo, is give an extremely unequivocal statement such as:

"I give the American people my word, that no minority group, including on the basis of religion, will have its constitutional rights or civil liberties abridged or oppressed under my administration."

It's not the fringe groups nestled in some dark corner of his base that people are afraid of. It's his potential policies, based on statements made during his campaign.

For the record, again, I'm personally giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's not even in office yet. I want to see what he does. But that really is all he would need to do to short circuit all of the fears some people have right now. He has appointed people that only stoke those fears (whether anyone agrees that should be the case or not, that's the response people have had,) and has not yet made a very simple, general statement of reassurance to those who feel they have most cause for concern. That's all he has to do.

It's a bit like in my recent topic, where I asked people to simply say, "Even if I don't agree with you politically, I promise not to support any national policy that suppresses anyone's constitutional rights or civil liberties." That should be the easiest, most fundamental thing for any American to say. Not one person would reciprocate it directly (which was quite disturbing and disheartening,) and President-Elect Trump has likewise thus far not done so.

This does not mean he's a racist or that he will enact policies that minorities or certain religious groups in this country should fear by any means and, as stated, I think he has the potential to do a lot of good and I am going to wait and see if that happens. But... it really is that simple, and the longer he refrains from making such a simple, direct statement of reassurance which, again, should be the simplest things in the world for any American to do, regardless of political ideology... the longer this fear will remain, justified or unjustified.

Just my opinion as always. And again, disclaimer: I didn't vote for either of them, and I have a ton of criticism and concern about the establishment DNC as well.

Peace.

Here in the US, we just had an election.

In my state as a candidate for state office where he had a "zero tolerance policy on rape".

Like who in the f### has a 10% policy on rape?

Same with this Nazi crap.

The media and their willing accomplices will attach everything they can to Trump in the hopes that it will stick. When common sense would dictate that no sane person would embrace anything to do with Nazi's.

But I think everyone can rest assure that Trump has a "zero tolerance policy on Nazi's"

So what are they going to accuse him of next?

(I say burn the witch!)

What does he need anyone's support for anymore? He's already won. The less people that support him, the less he can do, the easier his job is.

Wonder which one of his advisors he'll outsource his presidency to first?

And it all started with memes! can you believe it??

So I was running for class president for sept '05!! Go dogs!! , had barry, Brian and Jim Bob there, got my back, whipping up votes for me, slaps n wedgies!!! , running dec 04! Killin all nerd programs, football gets another 4 hrs, Barry Brian n jimbobs wrestling will be cancelled!!! I'll sack thst canteen doll that serves the crappy lasagne, got 98% of votes!!! go Dogs!! Sacked canteen staff, now , eating frozen baked potatoe, moved football from 4 hrs school to 8 hrs SUNDAY morning, wrestling cancelled renamed to physical two party activity 16 hrs, all nerd programs consolidated to school benefit programming , give me Ur parents pSswords , , scumbag Barry Brian n jimbob relocated to "nothing to do with anything" committee on a small salary provided by the school , I'm Outta here in a bit, principle still deciding who runs next year.

Spencer is most likely an FBI plant/informer like Hal Turner.

Spencer was originally dismissive of Trump and plainly stated he was not an ideal candidate for his "Alternative Right".

Spencer himself has also denounced Milo from Breitbart, Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson and Infowars as not being "alt right" despite the MSM and dem bloggers claiming otherwise. He calls them classical liberals instead.

a reply to: GuidedKill

Well he had to disavow them since they recently held a press conference and showed the world exactly who they are, Neo Nazis. This just happened and that's why Trump has been told to distance himself. Ironic thing though, Steve Bannon has molded Breitbart to be the home of the alt right so Trump needs to fire him also if he's disavowing the alt right.

But he won't and that's because Robert Mercer is his major campaign donor who not only invests millions into Breitbart but also put Bannon on Trumps team.

It's all a farce and the Neo Nazis received their message loud and clear. They're proud to come out to America and praise Trump.

A Trump presidency is already a plague onto the world.

originally posted by: Substracto
And it all started with memes! can you believe it??

Spencer's Alternative Right had nothing to do with memes.

Paul joseph Watson breaks it down best:

There are two 'Alt-Rights'.

One is more accurately described as the New Right. These people like to wear MAGA hats, create memes & have fun. They include whites, blacks, Asians, latinos, gays and everyone else. These are the people who helped Trump win the election.

The other faction likes to fester in dark corners of sub-reddits and obsess about Jews, racial superiority and Adolf Hitler. This is a tiny fringe minority. They had no impact on the election. Guess which faction the media is giving all the attention to?

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What did Bush say? Fool me once, shame on you? Fool me twice, shame on me?

If you think anything Donald Trump says can be trusted, you have not learned anything about Donald Trump.

As the OP said, and to which I agree: it's too little too late. Especially when his appointment of Bannon feeds strongly into the narrative that he is secretly allied to the alt right.

He had a real opportunity to rid us of fears of racism - or in general, some sort of elitism. But he bolstered that fear - and has sent a powerful message to the alt-right - by appointing Bannon as his chief strategist.

Couldn't care less about the Alt-Right. They're not the ones pillaging and rioting in the streets and pulling Trump voters out of their cars and mobbing every Trump voter in site. The looney left nutcases are doing that.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DBCowboy

I could always go get that therapy dog again ... I think he's still hanging out in my image box.

No therapy dog please, it's horrible you had to post that thing on my thread.

I had never even heard the term "alt-right" until a few months ago... and that was in left leaning publications. Then on message boards. Ive never heard anyone say ... hey Im alt right. I have contact with a LOT of folks.. not of only one or 2 political ( or non political totally) leanings, yet I never heard it from anyone in real life.

Trump is doing what he should do and what Obama should have done. Im sure hed like to rip a new one publicly in more than a few people, but is playing the game. Just so happens this play he is making goes a ways to calm tensions IF some will allow those tensions to be calmed. Its almost as if some love the strife and divisions.. and call it to the front with every word.

a reply to: Astrocyte

What did Bush say? Fool me once, shame on you? Fool me twice, shame on me?

A little less eloquently than that.

This reminds me of the tactics used against the tea party. Well it also reminds me of the tactics against Trump himself. Should I disavow Trump because the media slandered him as racist? In fact it makes a lot more sense to call an individual racist than an entire loosely affiliated group. Lets hope Trump ends up being better than the people the tea party got elected. Deplorable, alt right, tea party it's all the same to me and people will try to discredit these movements no matter what they are called.