Looking Back at November 22, 1963

I really appreciate this thread, DTOM.

This is one of my earliest memories. My Mom was canning vegetables, and I was pretending to help. I was not yet in kindergarten, so I guess I was four or five. My Dad had set a task for me of cleaning up the detatched garage. I remember that the open, dark, doors of the garage appear to me as a maw, with reflected teeth, and I hated going in there. In fact, I was # scared of going in there. I had been putting off the task and Mom said something like, "you go on now, do as you Father said, and do a good job. I'll finish my canning, and when we're both through, we'll have a little ice cream and sing some songs."

I loved singing with her. I worked hard and tried to ignore the hissing whispers that emanated from the shadows of the garage. I came back inside and my Mom was crying and I tried to cheer her up, but she wouldn't cheer. I asked her what was the matter and what I recall is that she just shook her head. She was still crying when my Dad came home, and they went into their bedroom and didn't come out for a long time.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
...and WHILE we were following how and why Kennedy was killed...I watched Lee Harvey Oswald be assassinated on live t.v. we were watching for Kennedy updates...

Yes....that was so surreal.
Watching the continuous coverage, the sad music in the background.
My mom was in the kitchen, making dinner or something.....and boom! Oswald was shot on live TV.

Another thing I remember is the drums...the drums... the drums.... during the funeral procession......in fact I can hear them now as I type this.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe
Oswald seems to me to be the prototype zombie-patsy for modern day shootings. He also spent time at psychiatric facilities with known ties to the CIA.

Kennedy was killed because he wanted to help the people. Powerful men could not accept that.

I believe that as a child, that was likely the first time I realized the value of the news. Suddenly the news had meaning to my young head full of mush.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
...and WHILE we were following how and why Kennedy was killed...I watched Lee Harvey Oswald be assassinated on live t.v. we were watching for Kennedy updates...

Yes....that was so surreal.
Watching the continuous coverage, the sad music in the background.
My mom was in the kitchen, making dinner or something.....and boom! Oswald was shot on live TV.

Another thing I remember is the drums...the drums... the drums.... during the funeral procession......in fact I can hear them now as I type this.

I hear them too.

Something good, something pure, in this country died that day along with JFK. I think it was hope. Real hope.

Was he perfect? - ha! Not even close.

Did he have the best motives and intentions for this country - yes, he did. Yes, he did., flawed though he was.

Whenever I hear "American Pie" by Don McLean, it beings me up short. I know the song is about Buddy Holly's death, but I can't help thinking it was also about JFK. Or should have been.

My $0.02 for what it's worth....

a reply to: Blaine91555

My Dad, at the time, was nearly a twenty year Air Force Senior enlisted, at least time served...punching out a captain for touching his wife made sure he lost a few stripes, but he never lost his connections--they'd have punched that assholes lights out, too.

He could network with the best of 'em, and he said there was little doubt within senior enlisted circles that there was military complicity, if not a coup.

...and frankly, that f'n scares the crap out of me.

I remember the day JFK was murdered as worse than the day Elvis died. It was as if the Earth had stopped turning.

Elvis was close. There was a lot of grief. The 'shock factor' wasn't as pronounced.

The very next day over in the UK the BBC aired the very first episode of 'Doctor Who'. Coincidentally, BBC Radio Broadcaster John Peel was in Dallas when JFK was shot.

Doctor Who first appeared on BBC TV at 17:16:20 GMT, eighty seconds after the scheduled programme time, 5:15 pm, on Saturday, 23 November 1963.[7][8] It was to be a regular weekly programme, each episode 25 minutes of transmission length. Discussions and plans for the programme had been in progress for a year. The head of drama, Canadian Sydney Newman, was mainly responsible for developing the programme, with the first format document for the series being written by Newman along with the head of the script department (later head of serials) Donald Wilson and staff writer C. E. Webber. Writer Anthony Coburn, story editor David Whitaker and initial producer Verity Lambert also heavily contributed to the development of the series.[9][note 1] The programme was originally intended to appeal to a family audience,[10] as an educational programme using time travel as a means to explore scientific ideas and famous moments in history. On 31 July 1963 Whitaker commissioned Terry Nation to write a story under the title The Mutants. As originally written, the Daleks and Thals were the victims of an alien neutron bomb attack but Nation later dropped the aliens and made the Daleks the aggressors. When the script was presented to Newman and Wilson it was immediately rejected as the programme was not permitted to contain any "bug-eyed monsters". According to producer Verity Lambert; "We didn't have a lot of choice — we only had the Dalek serial to go ... We had a bit of a crisis of confidence because Donald [Wilson] was so adamant that we shouldn't make it. Had we had anything else ready we would have made that." Nation's script became the second Doctor Who serial – The Daleks (a.k.a. The Mutants). The serial introduced the eponymous aliens that would become the series' most popular monsters, and was responsible for the BBC's first merchandising boom.[11]

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The people calling for the assassination of Trump have no idea of what they are truly asking for.


I simply don't know of a single word I could add to the above sentence to highlight how bad that thought is.....


Unless they have lived it... they will never understand it.....

That's the only way I can express that thought that makes sense.


I have never forgotten Nov. 22, 1963 and no one else should either...... you know what they say... those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Blaine91555

...and frankly, that f'n scares the crap out of me.

Me too Seagull. That something like that may have happened here makes me very uncomfortable.

a reply to: Blaine91555

If, and I do say if, it's true it's a fundamental violation of their oaths.

My Dad, when we discussed this was horrified at the thought of the military doing this, or elements with in it. As he should have been, and as we should be.

It also sets a disturbing, and scary, precedence that we should be aware of, and wary of.

They've had documentaries on all week. Some with all the original footage and news coverage. Still lots of doubts about the whole deal. BTW - I was in 3rd grade.

originally posted by: TXTriker
They've had documentaries on all week. Some with all the original footage and news coverage. Still lots of doubts about the whole deal. BTW - I was in 3rd grade.

Must be a local thing for your area.
Up here in the Midwest....not much at all.....really nothing.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Interesting thread. It overlooks a lot of evidence in favor of Oswald being the shooter though, even though I don't think he did it alone. The specific disagreement I have deals with the "magic bullet". They had a crazy, impossible trajectory and they concluded this is what happened. To me this shows they wanted this theory to be the answer, even if they had to shoehorn evidence into it. But, discovery did a special showing that the president sat higher and up to the right of connaly, not level with and directly behind like in a normal car. With this information the trajectories matched up perfectly. I never see this mentioned on conspiracy articles, which isn't unfortunate. Unless this has been debunked after the show was aired and I'm not aware.

Here's the entire series if anyone wants to check it out:The men who killed Kennedy.

One of the best docs on the assassination.It makes a great case against LBJ.

a reply to: dr1234

That info about the seat positions is interesting and certainly takes care of the magic bullet, but why did it take decades for anyone to notice or mention it?

a reply to: mike dangerously

Yes it does, not that I needed much convincing. Johnson was as slimy as it gets...just a nasty human being. It's really not much of a stretch to see him behind the assassination of not just John Kennedy, but Robert, too. Pure vindictiveness.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMeThe links you provided are an excellent read but there's something that's been disturbing me lately about the head wound.


There's been a lot of discussion lately on the Zapruder film, which I won't get into here due to the flames that tend spring up, but there is a big discrepancy that it now shows.


If you haven't read The Head Shot link recently go an re-read the description. It's in the very first paragraph.


Now go and watch the film again and tell me what you see. I don't know which to believe anymore.

I wasn't alive then but reading everyone's memories makes me think of how my generation will be remembering 9/11 30 years from now, the implications it had, what it changed, what it would be like if it never happened.

Great thread OP, and thanks to everyone for sharing their memories of this horrible date.