Everyone relax: President-Elect Trump is different than Republican Nominee Trump.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Greggers

Campaign Trump certainly said those things.

Trump said those things. Those were Trump quotes I used. Did you watch the video? Trump has expressed on more than one occasion that he'd appoint those justices with the aim that it would change so that it's once again a state decision.

Either way, what about my greater point? That what Trump's actual stance is, is not the thing to be most concerned about. If you look at his list of people he might appoint to these positions, you'll see a history of being anti-LGBT among those conservatives. Trump being 'fine' with the 2015 decision (should that be true) doesn't translate to his appointed justices following suit.

I was going to let your point ride because, like I said, I cannot prove that candidate trump is not the same as president trump (although I've said I suspect it), nor that he will or won't nominate the justices he's mentioned before.

I would humbly suggest we hold him accountable when he actually makes a nomination, or when he makes a statement like one of the above now that he's won the election.

Again, I understand if you don't agree. That's okay.

One more point:

Many close to the Trump campaign describe Bannon as "less Breitbart and more pragmatist."

Given Trumps "art of the deal" mentality, I have wondered if Bannon is there to help him manipulate a certain segment of the population. In my opinion, the same segment Bannon has been manipulating for profit for quite a while now.

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Having been paying attention to what all is going on there are a few things that can be stated:

The new President Trump is in a lot of trouble right now. He is ill prepared for being in that position, not considering many things that the upcoming administration is supposed to do, along with having a conflict of interest charge hanging over him and his administration.

From what the reports are stating, he is not returning calls to the various departments to proceed with the transition of power from Obama to him, nor was he aware or realizing how much work he has to do right now, before he raises his hand and takes the oath of office, even asking and wanting security clearance for his children, who will be running his business while he is president, and not wanting to stay in the White House and spending time in New York at his home there.

To make matters worse, the head of his transition team, Pence is not focused on that, but on other stuff, nor planning to step down as Gov of Indiana until Jan, 9. This does not bode well at all for the new administration as it appears as though they are not taking this seriously and could do some harm to the country.

How is Trump ill-prepared when compared to anther two term president who I do not think has ever held a real job and was a junior senator with no executive experience when he took the White House. Those are just facts. Not making anything up just facts. He got a shot. No buildings were burnt down. No outside influences causing disruption. 8 years and he showed his experience. He may not be the worst president ever but he certainly is not in the running for the top 10.

He is and will be the same person he has always been. Unpredictable? What is wrong with that. The world stage learned to see the US punch and now it is time to change it up.

a reply to: Greggers

I would humbly suggest we hold him accountable when he actually makes a nomination,

I'm not contesting that. I agree with it.

This wasn't about whether we are justified in holding him accountable right now for actions he may take, it was about whether we should feel relaxed about it or not. I'm merely saying there is cause to not feel so relaxed. I would say there is good reason to feel worried.

a reply to: Greggers

Hmmmm, yes, it would benefit Trump for Bannon to be there to help manipulate, as well as having it profit at least Bannon (if not a Trump children business, which could be a future joint venture with Bannon, if and when he leaves public service).

Of course the Trump campaign will talk nice of Bannon, his being "pragmatic". Former employees say that "he would regularly order subordinates to write stories that supported his allies and tore down adversaries", which to some might be pragmatic but which I would call just being an a-hole.

If Karl Rove was "Bush's brain", and if Steve Bannon is now "Trump's brain", then woe to those who become Trump adversaries, which seems to be a sizable part of the population. Bannon makes Rove look like a choir boy.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

This does not bode well at all for the new administration as it appears as though they are not taking this seriously and could do some harm to the country.

Over the years, I have always enjoyed your posts, whether I agree with them or not. This post is one I do agree with, and I see a looming nightmare. It would seem that a POTUS elect needs to hit the ground running on day one. The Presidency is not meant for on-the-job training. The only Pres who ever had to make up as he went along was George Washington, and Donald Trump is no GW. Our nation's original leaders elected GW, and 227 years later we rejected their wisdom and elected someone unfit to fulfill the job.

Maybe we should have run the campaign more like The Apprentice and assigned him tasks to competently complete. We could have avoided this looming nightmare by yelling, "You're fired!" Instead, I'm left being scared.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: Greggers

I would humbly suggest we hold him accountable when he actually makes a nomination,

I'm not contesting that. I agree with it.

This wasn't about whether we are justified in holding him accountable right now for actions he may take, it was about whether we should feel relaxed about it or not. I'm merely saying there is cause to not feel so relaxed. I would say there is good reason to feel worried.

Well, given that your form of being less than "relaxed" involves posting in a civil manner on a message forum, I'd say we'll be okay. I was more trying to address the people who have gone off the deep end.

To me, it's quite unclear what we're going to get in a Trump presidency.

Prez-elect Donald Trump is a masterful salesman with a keen understanding of people.

He knows that telling the whole truth right now would cause the tiny-brained terrorists (aka protesters), to multiply and escalate like roaches on steroids.

But on January 21st, PRESIDENT Trump will be different than the conciliatory man we're seeing now. He'll be the LEADER that we voted for.

Trump's change of rhetoric is for the best, and if he approaches things the way he is saying as President-elect, then i think there could be good things in store for the US.

originally posted by: matafuchs
How is Trump ill-prepared when compared to anther two term president who I do not think has ever held a real job and was a junior senator with no executive experience when he took the White House. Those are just facts. Not making anything up just facts. He got a shot. No buildings were burnt down. No outside influences causing disruption. 8 years and he showed his experience. He may not be the worst president ever but he certainly is not in the running for the top 10.

He is and will be the same person he has always been. Unpredictable? What is wrong with that. The world stage learned to see the US punch and now it is time to change it up.

Yep, a 1 trick pony.

Funny how everyone still thinks they know better what to do than him.

Trump is a babe in the woods. lol!!

I think he is going to have to pull a lot of his punches with these other world leaders and the Dems.

Maybe not.

Gotta know when to throw the haymakers.

a reply to: Greggers

I'll believe it when I see it.

originally posted by: carewemust
Prez-elect Donald Trump is a masterful salesman with a keen understanding of people.

He knows that telling the whole truth right now would cause the tiny-brained terrorists (aka protesters), to multiply and escalate like roaches on steroids.

But on January 21st, PRESIDENT Trump will be different than the conciliatory man we're seeing now. He'll be the LEADER that we voted for.

You are aware that Trump himself called for pitchforks and protests towards Obama being elected in 2012. Because otherwise that would make you all hypocrites right? Including Drumpf

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Greggers

I'll believe it when I see it.

Me too, and not a moment sooner. Just to be clear.

originally posted by: carewemust
Prez-elect Donald Trump is a masterful salesman with a keen understanding of people.

He knows that telling the whole truth right now would cause the tiny-brained terrorists (aka protesters), to multiply and escalate like roaches on steroids.

But on January 21st, PRESIDENT Trump will be different than the conciliatory man we're seeing now. He'll be the LEADER that we voted for.

That's a lot of faith you have there.

a reply to: Greggers

Just wanted to bring this to your attention since it is highlighting some of what I'm getting at in this thread:
Not Just Obamacare: Medicaid, Medicare Also On GOP’s Chopping Block

For about two decades now, Republicans have been talking about radically changing the government’s two largest health insurance programs, Medicaid and Medicare.

The goal with Medicaid is to turn the program almost entirely over to the states, but with less money to run it. The goal with Medicare is to convert it from a government-run insurance program into a voucher system ― while, once again, reducing the money that goes into the program.

Trump has said this:

in a 2015 interview his campaign website highlighted, he vowed that “I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.”

HOWEVER

But the health care agenda on Trump’s transition website, which went live Thursday, vows to “modernize Medicare” and allow more “flexibility” for Medicaid.

In Washington, those are euphemisms for precisely the kind of Medicare and Medicaid plans Ryan has long envisioned. And while it’s never clear what Trump really thinks or how he’ll act, it sure looks like both he and congressional Republicans are out to undo Lyndon Johnson’s health care legacy, not just Barack Obama’s.

Like I said Republican establishment crony

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Greggers

Just wanted to bring this to your attention since it is highlighting some of what I'm getting at in this thread:
Not Just Obamacare: Medicaid, Medicare Also On GOP’s Chopping Block

For about two decades now, Republicans have been talking about radically changing the government’s two largest health insurance programs, Medicaid and Medicare.

The goal with Medicaid is to turn the program almost entirely over to the states, but with less money to run it. The goal with Medicare is to convert it from a government-run insurance program into a voucher system ― while, once again, reducing the money that goes into the program.

Trump has said this:

in a 2015 interview his campaign website highlighted, he vowed that “I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.”

HOWEVER

But the health care agenda on Trump’s transition website, which went live Thursday, vows to “modernize Medicare” and allow more “flexibility” for Medicaid.

In Washington, those are euphemisms for precisely the kind of Medicare and Medicaid plans Ryan has long envisioned. And while it’s never clear what Trump really thinks or how he’ll act, it sure looks like both he and congressional Republicans are out to undo Lyndon Johnson’s health care legacy, not just Barack Obama’s.

Like I said Republican establishment crony

Well, that's disconcerting. The more painful they make everyone's medical bills, the faster we're going to get to single payer.

I sure hope his term is not a catastrophe, but right now his transition team is

tweet from Eliot Cohen, " a Johns Hopkins professor who served in the State Department under Condoleezza Rice, [who] was asked by a Donald Trump transition aide for recommendations on assembling the national security team"

‘After exchange w/ Trump transition team, changed my recommendation: stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly.’ Eliot Cohen

he also said

He told the Times that the tone of the email surprised him. “They think of these jobs as lollipops,” Cohen said. “I think we’re on the verge of a crisis here.”

source

I've been telling you guys that Trump is a Democrat since day one. LOL

I don't have enough fingers on my hands to count how many Democrats he's supported and funded throughout the years. To be fair he's supported Republicans too. Hillary was at his wedding for God's sake. As I've said before there's not much difference between Trump and Hillary policy wise. The wild card here is Pence but we've had "Christians" in the white house before.