China warns Trump against abandoning climate change deal

China has warned Trump to stay with the climate deal that Obama and many other countries signed. China also states that they will continue to become a greener economy. If the US pulls out of the agreement, Chine is not will to up their green house gas emissions reductions.
India has also stated that they will have to reassess their plans in reference to the agreement.

I would imagine that the best way to approach Trump is with pleasantries and respect. I guess we will see.

Is this going to be a major stumbling block for the world?

How about “we” renegotiate all deals with China? Send them back to the 70’s when they couldn’t feed themselves?

China has warned Donald Trump that he will be defying the wishes of the entire planet if he acts on his vow to back away from the Paris climateagreement after he becomes US president next January.

In a sign of how far the world has shifted in recognising the need to tackle global warming, Beijing — once seen as an obstructive force in UN climate talks — is now leading the push for progress by responding to fears that Mr Trump would pull the US out of the landmark accord.

“It is global society’s will that all want to co-operate to combat climate change,” a senior Beijing negotiator said in Marrakesh on Friday, at the first round of UN talks since the Paris deal was sealed last December. The Chinese negotiators added that “any movement by the new US government” would not affect their transition towards becoming a greener economy.

India also joined in the warnings, saying Mr Trump’s appointment would force countries to reassess an accord hailed as an end to the fossil fuel era.

“Everyone will rethink how this whole process is going to unfold,” India’s chief negotiator, Ravi Prasad, told the Financial Times.

Recalling the way support for the earlier Kyoto protocol climate treaty crumbled after it was abandoned by another Republican president, George W Bush, Mr Prasad said he feared the Paris accord could suffer “a contagious disease that spreads” if the US withdrew.

Mr Trump’s sweeping victory on Tuesday has shaken what had appeared to be an unstoppable bout of global action to tackle climate change in the run-up to the two-week Marrakesh talks, which began on Monday.

Governments struck the first climate deal for aviation in October, just days before agreeing to phase out planet-warming hydrofluorocarbon chemicals used in air-conditioners.

The Moroccan hosts of this week’s talks had been planning a celebratory meeting to cap this unprecedented bout of activity. Instead, organisers awoke on Wednesday morning to find the world’s wealthiest country had a president-elect who has called global warming a hoax, pledged to “cancel” the Paris agreement and vowed to stop US funding of UN climate programmes entirely.

“They were in absolute shock,” said one person who saw Moroccan officials on Wednesday morning.

Adnan Amin, the director-general of the International Renewable Energy Agency, said “a sense of helplessness” had pervaded the Marrakesh talks, and “a certain amount of fear”.

The EU and Japan also reaffirmed their commitment to the agreement, which requires all countries to come up with a plan to curb climate change in order to stop global temperatures from rising more than 2C from pre-industrial times.

But neither they nor China were willing to offer extra cuts in greenhouse gas emissions to fill the vacuum a US withdrawal would create, nor additional money for an agreement requiring billions of dollars in public and private funds to be channelled from rich to poor countries to tackle climate change.

At 3am in the morning I started to hear the [US election] results and I said, ‘No, you’re having a nightmare, go back to sleep’. When I got up and realised it was true, I walked around in a daze

“If the US changes its position that would be very serious for us, especially the aspect of the finance,” said Shigeru Ushio, a Japanese foreign ministry official.

As delegates absorbed the ramifications of Mr Trump’s sweeping victory, many swapped stories of how the result had hit them.

“At 3am in the morning I started to hear the results and I said, ‘No, you’re having a nightmare, go back to sleep’,” said one developing country participant. “When I got up and realised it was true, this was really, really happening, I walked around in a daze. I think a lot of us were.”

The negotiations have continued nonetheless and some countries have been adamant that the US election result should not interfere with a meeting that is due to start negotiating a raft of important rules for how the Paris agreement will operate.

“We’re talking about the big challenge of climate change,” said Russia’s lead negotiator, Oleg Shamanov. “This issue is bigger than life. This is a long-term issue, longer than any mandate of any president of country X or Z, even if that country is a big one.”

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a reply to: seasonal

Got a link to the source ? Thanks for the link . The piece is long on rhetoric but has no links to China ,Russia saying what they were quoting . The links go to a pAY-WALL .....you might want to track down who in China has said what is claimed .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Sorry, added it.

Thanks for the heads up

If China wants to continue choking themselves to death in a fit of pique, let them. I see no reason why we cannot use our own energy and the technologies we have that let our airspace continue to look like this:

a reply to: ketsuko

It does seem that China has a long way to go to get rid of the choking filth.

I don't know enough to know if this is the type of pollution that the agreement addresses.

a reply to: seasonal

CHina had been building and burning old style coal plants a mile a minute and they don't regulate their industry for cleanliness.

In a sense, it would be a mercy if we brought some of the industry home instead of leaving it all with them.

“If the US changes its position that would be very serious for us, especially the aspect of the finance,”

And there it is. The REAL concern.

a reply to: loam

Yea ...seems to be a propaganda piece to keep the fear going .

originally posted by: ketsuko

If China wants to continue choking themselves to death in a fit of pique, let them. I see no reason why we cannot use our own energy and the technologies we have that let our airspace continue to look like this:

Thats a lovely picture, but that polution wont stay with China. It will disperse and ruin the rest of the world. Its a bit like ##ing in the shallow end of the pool. Would you still drink from the deep end?

a reply to: blackrabbit1

The US back in the 60's had a lot of that kind of pollution .laws and regulations cleaned it up a lot . China is well aware of the pollution and are looking at other ways to address it

It should be noted that nuclear energy is one of China’s primary ambitions. The pace with which Beijing develops its nuclear capacities is truly captivating. The first Chinese nuclear power plant started operating back in 1991, and now China has a total of 35 operating nuclear reactors, while another 20 are being constructed now. As it has been stated by representatives of the Chinese government this year, there must be a total of 110 operational nuclear reactors in China by 2030. If Beijing fulfills its plans, it would become the leading state in terms of nuclear energy production. journal-neo.org...

Given that they are a emerging country this stuff will always lag a bit behind the west .

Both China and India are BOTH building coal fired plants.

How about they ACT like they are doing something good before they 'warn' the US ?

Bunch of hypocrites.

Trump will make China pay for it.

a reply to: neo96

True, I read a story that China is moving forward on


China blazes trail for 'clean' nuclear power from thorium

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I wonder how they can say thorium and build coal, or maybe both for China?

a reply to: seasonal

I wonder how they can say thorium and build coal, or maybe both for China?

When they got 1 billion plus people to clothe, and keep warm, and cool.

And make everyday things.

Plus the rest of the world like Europe,and America that needs the same things.

China's energy demands are high, and will continue to get that way.

Nuclear,coal, and whatever else they can come up with.

a reply to: neo96

True, warm well fed people behave.

I have traveled to China 4 times, and if you are walking around in Shanghai, and walk into an area that is lower than other areas, (it is mostly flat, but there are depressions where the land is lower by up to 50 feet in places), and walking down into them along a street, you will walk into a thicker air that smells like xylene and toluene and it becomes hard to breath.

Nothing compares to being choked out in a public place by an unseen force like that. Having to run to higher ground while holding your breath is a sketchy proposition.

When they have big international events there in the big polluted cities, they shutdown all driving and factories for weeks until the smog goes away, then when the event is over, they fire it all back up and pollute everyone like a gas chamber.

So if Trump calls off the climate agreements, what is China going to do, pollute more? I didn't think that was possible.

a reply to: the2ofusr1
And a propaganda piece to keep the money flowing.

Money will be a big challenge for India, which says it will require over $2.5tn (£1.9tn) to meet all its targets. It says it will achieve the targets only if other countries give it money and discounts on new technology.

Link

a reply to: fernalley

It's always about money or power, always.

if Trump says global warming doesnt exist then, it doesnt exist ask his cult followers

i hope to god Trump pulls out of the climate change treaty

originally posted by: neo96
Both China and India are BOTH building coal fired plants.

How about they ACT like they are doing something good before they 'warn' the US ?

Bunch of hypocrites.

Right. Maybe they should stop polluting so much and use more up to date pollution scrubbers at their plants. Not that I want the US to go dirty. That would be dumb. Work smarter and harder. No need to pollute to compete.