Why I think Trump could be a successful President

a reply to: Astrocyte

You are right about people not being able to deal with uncertainty. In my own life being let down by so called members of my family and dealing with earthquakes have all put me in a position where dealing with uncertainty is nothing new to me.

As someone who lives in New Zealand I am very concerned by territorial disputes in the South China Sea and elsewhere in Asia. If Clinton had been elected the status quo wouldn't have been able to resolve the issues at hand. China has painted itself into a corner which they can't get out of easily without losing face. Concerning NATO beyond what I have said above concerning Putin all I can add is that if the UK , France and Germany don't step up to the plate and play a stronger hand they will get whatever is coming down the pipeline.

The Man Made Climate Change religion is very trendy with suburbanites who drive around in cars and buy all their groceries from a local supermarket. Enough said.

originally posted by: Astrocyte
a reply to: TheRedneck

Seems like everyone here is avoiding the contentious issues - the ones I outlined in my post above.

He will not avoid conflict - he is PLANNING to do things that aren't popular and WILL fuel a civil disobedience that this country hasn't seen, probably ever.

If were going to talk about this, let's talk about it honestly

I heard a blip today, and unfortunately I can't source it, because it was just a flash of somebody's tweet, but Trump supporters were being encouraged to go out and meet the protesters head on. "We can't have this", was said.

That is an invitation to rioting. Think Rodney King and Missouri on a national scale. Anybody who is encouraging that is inciting riots and should be charged with such.

a reply to: Astrocyte

In order to "find a new place," we have to "restrain and control" our current behavior.

We do an incredible amount of damage to our biosphere, and I am not talking about AGW. We are a dirty species and we trash the planet wantonly. I don't think we could destroy earth's ability to sustain life, but we could make conditions so hostile that our forms could not be sustained.

There are an incredible amount of resources in our solar system alone which could be utilized before we begin to think about traveling further. You're taking too big of a leap if you think I am suggesting we start planning missions to Proxima Centauri. Got to crawl before we can walk, and we haven't even started lifting our heads yet. We've barely opened our eyes in that regards.

And even before we get to the point of seriously considering the mining of asteroids, we have a lot of work on the ground that needs to be done first, such as lowering the cost of getting items into space. But again, all of this is infrastructure that could be part of the basis for an economic recovery in the U.S.

Wisdom is the management of knowledge.

It's not what you know, it's what you do with what you know that matters. And right now we, as a species, are not very wise...

a reply to: Astrocyte

Honestly? Honestly none of us know what kind of a President he will be. I'm pointing out what I see as possibilities for strength and weakness. I want to see him succeed, because I want Americans to succeed.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: loam

Obama big mistake was that he pandered to the minorities, Now we see that he did it in purpose to increase the divisions within the population.

No he didn't Marg. He did it because he has a heart, and because he was the President of ALL people.
I hope and pray Trump will at least pretend to do the same.

and by the way.. Trump has caused more division just by running, than Obama has done.

Anyway, I've promised myself I wouldn't do this anymore, so I'm logging out.
I hope you have a good evening. I saw some birds on my feeder today, they were so beautiful I looked them up and they are indigenous to Puerto Rica, I guess they are migrating home for winter. Anyway, I thought about you.

With Obama adding 8 trillion of debt to the books when government revenue is perhaps half of that of the 1980's (when factoring in real inflation). Then adding what some say are future unfunded public liabilities (pension, social securty etc) to the tune of 70+ trillion dollars. Not even houdini could pull out a big enough rabbit to maintain the status quo, much less, make things better.

So even if Trump turns out to be one of america's best presidents, ever. The situation is incredibly dire.

Perhaps If he sacked 9/10's of all government employee's and 9/10 of the military he just might be able to delay the inneviable greater depression but that in itself would result in riots from people that want have their cake and eat it too.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Trump should be able to wrap up his domestic agenda before the 2018 mid term elections. What I think will be interesting to see is if the GOP Congress is politically pragmatically enough to pass a government subsides Child Care program. If they did implement a decent child care program they would make life politically very difficult for the Democrats. It would be a bit like the way Bill Clinton supported Welfare Reform in the lead up to the 1996 Presidential Election. By acting pragmatically and against his party's core supporter base , Bill was able to cancel out a political weakness.

a reply to: xpert11

A child care subsidy would be a great idea. I would also like to see him pick up on Bernie's plan of helping with education. Maybe not to the same degree, but a step towards.

The real test for 2018 hasn't reared its head yet. Issues are fine but judgement is the real issue. What will Trump do when ____________ happens? For li'l Bush, it was 911. For Kennedy it was the Cuban Missile Crisis. No one knows what it will be for Trump.

He has a head start on the 2018 elections. Every single protester taking to the streets has given him that. Even some who didn't vote for him this time are now saying quietly they wish they had after seeing the childish, hateful actions being demonstrated on TV and YouTube. Now, if he just doesn't mess up.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck

A child care subsidy would be a great idea. I would also like to see him pick up on Bernie's plan of helping with education. Maybe not to the same degree, but a step towards.

A good middle road option education wise would be putting any able bodied person into a blue collar trade apprenticeship or a suitable course of White Collar training. Combined with a national infrastructure program and tax reform this strikes me as being a good way forward.

I was thinking the other day that Trump should look at having US Auto Makers turn to making cars and trucks which run on LNG instead of petrol. This would allow for increased domestic LNG production without prices becoming depressed. The other optional would be a congressional ban on any kind of energy source (e.g oil) from being imported into the US. The option for LNG powered cars seems like a more feasible path to go down.

The real test for 2018 hasn't reared its head yet. Issues are fine but judgement is the real issue. What will Trump do when ____________ happens? For li'l Bush, it was 911. For Kennedy it was the Cuban Missile Crisis. No one knows what it will be for Trump.

The unknowns are always tougher than the known. There are many good reasons why foreign policy will be tougher for the Trump admin than his domestic agenda.

a reply to: xpert11

So you don't believe climate change has anything to do with the conversion of one molecular structure (carbon as held in liquid form i.e. natural gas, oil; and solid - coal) into another - a gaseous co2 state?

It seems pretty amazing that you think that, given the greenhouse nature of the gas (i.e holds more heat) that it wouldn't have effects on climate that would essentially force a new attractor.

People who do not understand or accept climate change do not understand systems theory. So go look up systems theory - because everything that exists emerges out of complex relationships with other things.

Climate change is tremendously real - only an unreasonable paranoia about socialism prevents understanding of that.

a reply to: xpert11

I was thinking the other day that Trump should look at having US Auto Makers turn to making cars and trucks which run on LNG instead of petrol. This would allow for increased domestic LNG production without prices becoming depressed. The other optional would be a congressional ban on any kind of energy source (e.g oil) from being imported into the US. The option for LNG powered cars seems like a more feasible path to go down.

I like the way you think, but then again, electric cars have been shown to be viable (thank you, Elon Musk). Investment into a national grid for electric recharge stations seems like a good idea to me as well. More so since we're already talking infrastructure modernization.

I don't agree with Congressional action to stop oil imports. It's not needed. Support the development of viable alternative fuels and oil use will decline drastically. No act of Congress needed; just make it reasonable.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Astrocyte

People who do not understand or accept climate change do not understand systems theory. So go look up systems theory - because everything that exists emerges out of complex relationships with other things.

Going for a Masters in Control Theory, and I absolutely disagree with Global Warming, aka Climate Change, conclusions.

There goes that theory...

TheRedneck

The only way Trump will be successful is if he is able to put the extreme right-wing Tea-party Republican congress on a leash.

Trump has already shown signs of moderation and compromise which is promising, but the fascist, theocratic juggernaut may be too much for him to handle.

a reply to: Astrocyte

No I think Man Made Climate Change is Junk Science. Since Climate Change didn't really factor into Trump's election victory it is a topic better left for another time. BTW do you think think Trump will put a focus on NASA?

originally posted by: CB328
The only way Trump will be successful is if he is able to put the extreme right-wing Tea-party Republican congress on a leash.

Trump is now the GOP. It may take getting some use to every now and than. Trump will resolve such a matter via force of personality. Not ever President has been a Mr Nice Guy. LBJ was no nice guy who had a very impressive legislative accompaniments. You can debate the merits of his Great Society but not the one got the agenda through Congress.

Trump has already shown signs of moderation and compromise which is promising, but the fascist, theocratic juggernaut may be too much for him to handle.

Every member of Congress who newly won a seat owes their win to Trump. I expect the majority of the GOP Congress will go with Trump.

originally posted by: Astrocyte
a reply to: TheRedneck

Seems like everyone here is avoiding the contentious issues - the ones I outlined in my post above.

He will not avoid conflict - he is PLANNING to do things that aren't popular and WILL fuel a civil disobedience that this country hasn't seen, probably ever.

people aren't avoiding it, we're ignoring your uninformed nonsense

a reply to: xpert11

I dont get it.

I do not understand how you can argue its junk science when the majority of sane and reasonable humans have no trouble accepting the logic.

Your claim is all rhetoric - all talk and bluster, without any essential way to criticize, because it is, in fact, profoundly unconvincing. A convergence towards a common viewpoint, especially amongst educated minds, does not have to be mere group think: but a convergence towards the most plausible, and likely answer: that our transformation of the earth through our industrial processes forces a reorganization of a molecule from one state to another state.

It's eminently reasonable: only a very paranoid fear of socialism - i.e. fear, and so, a difficulty opening yourself up (your brain literally regulates the flow of energy through the feelings you have) to knowledge, leads to this extraordinarily dangerous self-explanation.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Umm, soo? Most systems theorists support clmate change: why do you think you're smarter or even more important, why do you think anyone would consider your view more important than the majority scientific one.

This site is absolutely crammed full of mentally ill people.

a reply to: BoldAlligator

ah, that was nice.

Is this the type of world you think we need? Group-think - making fun of "loser scientists" who don't see things the way you "cool" conservatives do?

There is an incredible difference in emotional maturity between conservatives and liberals, and shame - the fear of it, is at the core of the conservatives psychodynamic structure. But since recognizing the existence of such a structure entails acknowledgement of basic scientific realities, to which the conservative often puts himself in opposition (evolution, the primacy of physics and biology as epistemology and ontology) to. He feels irritation - anger, annoyance, whenever he hears talk of sensitivity - without seeking an etiological source, it is never recognized and intenalized that personal experiences of self and other - how you were affected - becomes the backbone for your motivations; and so, a past shame guides your brain processes to ignore its occurrence, and, as you people so frequently show, "beat it to death" with cool, flippant, irreverant or sarcastic language: does doing this not afford a feeling of strength?

We are animals just like all other animals, except we live in a remarkably materialistic time period: people have been neurologically conditioned (because the brain self-organizes according to interpersonal affects and the narratives they carry) to reflexively dissociate their own embodied feeling knowledge; and the material world is there beckoning and clamoring to the minds of those people who have become structurally coupled to the ephemeral pleasure of material things: they become addicts, without ever acknowledging the presence of an addiction, inasmuch as the whole society around them is also addicted, always confirming the "truth" of the addiction.

Short-term mindsets do not, ever, work out well. It's a fact of the human condition.

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IMO Nikki Haley would be a very good nominee for Secretary of State. Haley is a rising star within the GOP. I think she could transfer her ability to handle tough issues to the international arena. Also she would have the ability to listen and perhaps moderate Trump's foreign policy. In doing so Haley could manage the US - Australian alliance in a way that doesn't wholesale crap on the existing security and political framework.

Trump's Jacksonian style looks set to force a domestic agenda through Congress. But in the international arena among the US best allies and partners a more constructive and diplomatic approach is required. Take New Zealand at the moment for instance. The USS Sampson role in disaster relief efforts around Kaikoura will have gained the US military more public currency with the Kiwi Public than just about anything else could have done so. Why throw away the build up off good will over a Jacksonian tantrum?

I also think the usual anti Trump media outlets have played into his hands again. I doubt Rudy Giuliani and John Bolton were ever under consideration for the position Secretary of State. The idea was to to have the media double down on the idea of Giuliani being in Trump's Cabinet. Now that the useful idiots like CNN and MSNBC have played done just that they play up the actual members who are likely to be in the Trump Cabinet.

The main question is would Haley be willing to serve in a Trump admin?