When you hear wailing about a half million popular vote margin - remember this.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I have no idea why everyone seems to be fixated on the popular vote. It means nothing. The USA does not have a national election. We have 50 state elections held on the same day.

I was just correcting the misinformation being put out there. If we are going to debate let's first use the correct information.

a reply to: UKTruth

Just put it in your back pocket, UKTruth. Obama LOST the popular vote to Hillary, in 2008 -- BY 300,000 votes -- and Democrats didn't give a flying fig. Link

They lie when they say that 1 person/1 vote matters. They just want their way.

a reply to: TheSemiSkeptic

Oh, I already corrected him.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: UKTruth

Just put it in your back pocket, UKTruth. Obama LOST the popular vote to Hillary, in 2008 -- BY 300,000 votes -- and Democrats didn't give a flying fig. Link

They lie when they say that 1 person/1 vote matters. They just want their way.

I will, thanks. As I said, I just feel pity for these people.

originally posted by: TheSemiSkeptic
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I have no idea why everyone seems to be fixated on the popular vote. It means nothing. The USA does not have a national election. We have 50 state elections held on the same day.

I was just correcting the misinformation being put out there. If we are going to debate let's first use the correct information.

The funniest thing of all is that the Democrats have a head start in every election with the electoral college - California and New York are flooded with people on welfare always voting for Democrats. The race has been an uphill battle for Republicans for years. This time, Trump just won battle ground after battle ground to win the Presidency. It was an epic win - maybe the greatest ever.

originally posted by: TheSemiSkeptic
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I have no idea why everyone seems to be fixated on the popular vote. It means nothing. The USA does not have a national election. We have 50 state elections held on the same day.

I was just correcting the misinformation being put out there. If we are going to debate let's first use the correct information.

Sorry, Iittle off topic. I think things would be better if only presidential campaign contributions could cross state lines. I think all state races should only be funded from within the state. I have no idea how you would enforce no outside state contributions, but I think it would be a step in the right direction.

The people taking it hard act like the USA government has the power to ruin every minute and aspect of their lives. Sad they don't realize the framers of the constitution wanted limited government so politicians couldn't have the power to ruin every minute and aspect of citizen's lives.

Its disturbing they put so much faith in a human being they end up thinking happiness is only insured by Hillary becoming president.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

BREAKING NEWS!!

The Indians won!!!!!!! They scored more runs than the Cubs (27-25)

Curse of the goat............again.

originally posted by: flatbush71
Curse of the goat............again.

The Democrat's official DONKEY must be a curse, because when they change a rule, it backfires on them!

From 2015: ""Two years after Democrats, led by Senator Harry Reid, detonated the “nuclear option” to change the filibuster rules to speed judges through confirmation, they are facing the other side of the coin: Republicans are now in charge of the Senate, and are flexing their powers to slow down the process, using Senator Reid's rule change against him.""

Short-sighted Democrats want to change the Presidential election rules, regarding how votes are applied. If they are successful, I guarantee that their Donkey curse will kick-in for the next election.

Here is their Donkey Curse in Action, after New Minority Leader CHUCK SCHUMER pushes through "election reform".

2018: The USA changes Presidential Election rules. Which ever candidate wins the POPULAR vote, is THE WINNER.

Nov 8, 2019: Breaking News -- Congressman Chelsea Clinton wins the Electoral College, but President Trump wins re-election, because he received more of the popular vote. Congrats President Trump!

Nov 9, 2019: Riots Flare!

2022: Democrats force a reversal of the 2018 Presidential Election rule change. The Electoral College once again picks the President.

Nov 8, 2023: GUESS!...LOL.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Ass clowns one and all!

# them - # them to death.

They're idiots. And we need *minds* to do this together.

And these idiots have no minds. They are clueless and stupid, so I pay them no attention.

Get some minds on the other side and I will start paying attention.

Until then....[snore]

She wins by popular vote? Really? I bet if an investigation was issued, we would find her vote count substantially lower. They are frauds pure and simple. All you need to do is search for voter fraud and you will see many examples.

But they couldn't scam enough states or enough counties. They failed and I honestly still can't believe it.

You people are such epic hypocrites. The election is over. Trump won. Stop deflecting by obsessing over Hillary this and Democrats that and pay attention to Trump and what he does and doesn't do. That's all that matters. Hillary is a historical footnote. Period. But, if you even have the capacity to do so, ask yourself this: Had the election turned-out exactly the opposite, would all the Trump supporters simply have said, "oh well we won the popular vote but lost the election. It's all fair-and-square. No worries." Yea right.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: goou111

Oh, but they are going to espouse that they are the morally right party. They cannot be allowed to forget who they really are.

Morally bereft lunatic left party...surely?

Socialism...claim to be for the people, the common Man and Woman in the street, yet, completely ignore that Man and Woman in the street when their choices do not suit them. The hypocrisy is tangible.

Those orchestrating and financing these riots really ought to keep their fingers crossed nobody gets seriously injured or worse. If it is proven certain disgruntled and wealthy individuals had an organising hand in these, he'll / they'll be going down along with Clinton.

It's a fallacy that *any* candidate for President receives any percentage of a "popular" vote, because the elections were *not* popular vote elections, but rather elections to choose electors to represent a State and go to Congress to choose a President.

One effect of the electoral college "voting" is that it decreases voter *participation* in elections. Here's how: If I'm a conservative and I live in California, I might not even vote because my vote will be outnumbered 5:1; my vote won't make a difference, so I won't go to the polls.

Likewise, if I live in Wyoming I also might not vote, because WY is a solid (R) State whether I vote or not.

Thus the effect of our system is that participation rates will be lower than if we had a popular-vote election. This is why participation rates among eligible voters are ~60%.

So please, enough of this nonsense about who won the "popular" vote, because we absolutely did *not* have a popular vote election.

A great example is Bill Clinton's first election. He won with 43% of votes cast, meaning 57% of the people who voted did *not* want him to win; and participation in that election was about 55%, which means only about 22% of eligible voters actually voted for him. He did not win the "popular" vote by any stretched definition.

a reply to: LanceCorvette

Makes sense.

Thanks for helping us non-Americans to comprehend your political system.

a reply to: LanceCorvette

I used the term I believed people would understand. Obviously, we are talking about a 'plurality' rather than the literal 'popular vote.'

a reply to: neutronflux

On 11-8 at our polling place a guy was trying to vote. He wasn't on the list of people allowed to vote there. They let him vote anyway. They asked for my name and looked me up, asked me to verify my address and I voted. It is appalling to me that they don't ask for I.D. I have to show my I.D. to fly, or do anything with my bank account. Where I work people must show their I.D. before we will let them use their credit card. Or at a concert/club/store I have to show my I.D. to drink or buy alcohol. Anyone could say they are joe blow and rattle off the address and steal someones vote. A coworker said that when she was voting a guy came in and said he wanted to vote but he wasn't registered. They still let him vote. So I think its quiet easy to lie and vote if you aren't registered or a legal citizen.

Even with the Clinton Campaign and Dems encouraging voter fraud and trying to rig the election they still couldn't win. The majority spoke and they are tired of the status quo. The last 8 years combined with The Clinton's shenanigans has people pissed off and untrusting of the political and government establishment. The people spoke with a loud "WE SEE YOU for what you really are Hillary Clinton". Those that chose not to vote, can take a seat and shut their mouths. The Democrats only have themselves to blame for alienating the majority of their own party, and undecideds, proving that most politicians and our government are slimy self serving liars, throwing America and its people under the bus for their own gains. Be mad at the Democratic Party and Clinton. You should demand better from the people and party that supposedly represent you and your beliefs. Because to some it looks like you are defending and supporting a treasonous, cheating liar. Is Trump an angel, HELL NO. But with Hillary we knew exactly what we were getting and it wasn't worth it. Sometime you need to shake things up to get back on track. We will see what the next 4 years brings. We've lived thru 44 presidents we'll make it thru 45.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: LanceCorvette

I used the term I believed people would understand. Obviously, we are talking about a 'plurality' rather than the literal 'popular vote.'

Understood. The argument I have is that now the "meme" is "Hillary won the popular vote - the will of the people blah blah blah" and it's just plain propaganda. It's not an accurate description of the voting process for President; and for people who don't understand the history and workings of the electoral college system, it absolutely gives them the wrong impression about what happened last Tuesday. Thus resulting in crying, riots, etc.

My quibble, as always, is we have a beautiful language, let's use it properly.

I'm going to say what I said in the other thread that hasn't been responded to yet.

Your numbers are very disingenuous. You're saying Hillary won the popular vote, but that's only if you ignore the vote that occurred in Michigan by ascribing Obama 0 votes. So in this case they used the delegates to actually address the unfairness and properly assign delegates based on people who voted. NEUTRAL OBSERVERS declared that Obama received the most votes.

It would appear you didn't read the entire link you submitted.

The fact of the matter is, twice in the last two decades, democrats have won the popular vote and lost the election. Methinks you're the one that has no room to complain.

ETA Honestly since this is such a matter of factual accuracy and not opinion, you should edit your initial post to indicate that. Obama won the popular vote, and only lost it if you discount more than 300,000 votes in Michigan, so the situation is the exact opposite of how you describe it.