Wiki: Media, Arms Dealers, Banks, Intelligence And Foreign Money Against Trump For HRC

originally posted by: RickinVa
I find it very hard to believe that the Intelligence Community in the US Government supports Hillary Clinton after the classified information fiasco. Quite the opposite in reality.

My suspect is - - - they know more then the "armchair" politicians on ATS.

Also, know more then Assange, Wikileaks, Anonymous, etc.

Taking any info out of the full context that it is reference to - - - can only create distortion.

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EDIT: and NO, that is not saying any high level politician is innocent. It's just logic. "We" do not have full information and never will.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Gryphon66

Does it ever occur to you that he also has an agenda here?

Of course, but HRC and her close inner circle just keep going stupid things that are reinforced by Wiki.

Can't argue with you about the "stupid things" that HRC and her campaign have done.

Those being "reinforced by Wiki" don't make a lot of sense, but, whatever.

originally posted by: RickinVa
I find it very hard to believe that the Intelligence Community in the US Government supports Hillary Clinton after the classified information fiasco. Quite the opposite in reality.

Yeah, it's almost like President' Bush, most of his Cabinet, etc. weren't also using private servers for email, isn't it?

(The point is perhaps most individuals in the actual "US intelligence community" aren't motivated by the same concerns as partisans with an axe to grind.)

a reply to: Gryphon66

President' Bush, most of his Cabinet, etc. using private servers

sources

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Gryphon66

President' Bush, most of his Cabinet, etc. using private servers

sources

Wow, that's cute.

Anyway, here you go ...

Newsweek - THE GEORGE W. BUSH WHITE HOUSE ‘LOST’ 22 MILLION EMAILS

Wiki - Bush White House Email Controversy

That should get you started.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Gryphon66

President' Bush, most of his Cabinet, etc. using private servers

sources

Wow, that's cute.

Anyway, here you go ...

Newsweek - THE GEORGE W. BUSH WHITE HOUSE ‘LOST’ 22 MILLION EMAILS

Wiki - Bush White House Email Controversy

That should get you started.

Oh mean that old standard deflection about Bush using a RNC server that dozens of republicans used as well compared to Hillarys hidden off the shelf home brew unclassified email server?

You trying that crappy comparison excuse again? It was lame then, and it is still lame now.

Don't forget to toss in Powell's AOL account use and try to say that was a private server as well. You forgot that one. Must the election taking a troll toll.

Try again.

a reply to: Gryphon66

thank you, looks like people got canned

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Gryphon66

thank you, looks like people got canned

I have no idea what your response means.

a reply to: RickinVa

Did the Bush White House use a private, non-government server for emails or not?

Pro Tip: Powell was in the Bush Adminsitration (so was C. Rice)

You're the law-and-order guy. Are you saying this was okay?

PS: If you are, you just flushed the tiny bit of credibility you had. It doesn't matter if "dozens of Republicans" used the server.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Bush White House email controversy

During the 2007 Congressional investigation of the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys, I misread, I thought they were fired for the crappy email handling. If Bush was running for pres, I would cry about that too.

But this has what to do with HRC? That is what I am crying about.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: RickinVa

Did the Bush White House use a private, non-government server for emails or not?

Pro Tip: Powell was in the Bush Adminsitration (so was C. Rice)

You're the law-and-order guy. Are you saying this was okay?

The Bush White House used a server owned by the Republican Party. Bought and paid for by the republican party for the use of Republicans. The fact that a republican party server existed was known to all republicans.

The Clinton Server was owned by the Clintons. It was used for the purposes of Hillary and close associates for her emails while SoS, some of which contained classified information that was classified when sent and received. The server was only known to a handful of people and kept on the down low as much as possible. There is 100% proof of classified information being found on an unclassified server that belonged to Clinton.


You know the difference.,.. nice smoke screen (again).

Your argument has been shot down before on ATS.

a reply to: RickinVa

Was the server used a private, non-government server or not? Was official business done on this server, or not?

You are familiar with the fact that the RNC is not the government, yes?

No, I don't know the difference, because there isn't any.

Shoot it down then, briefly. Explain to me and all the nice people why Clinton using a private server is the worst criminal act in American history, and the Bush White House using a private server and losing millions of emails isn't.

One or two sentences will do.

a reply to: Gryphon66

If Bush was running for pres, I would cry about that too.

But this has what to do with HRC? That is what I am crying about.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Gryphon66

If Bush was running for pres, I would cry about that too.

But this has what to do with HRC? That is what I am crying about.

So ... you have no concern about fifty or so high government officials using private email servers, possibly endangering the security of the United States a few years ago ... but one official using a private email server does?

I'm beginning to think your concern may be purely partisan here, Seasonal.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Absolutely not, I think there are alot of things that Bush did wrong.

But lets stay on task with HRC's emails dealing with spirit cooking, child abuse, classified docs mishandled, intimidation, etc. can we do that.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Gryphon66

Absolutely not, I think there are alot of things that Bush did wrong.

But lets stay on task with HRC's emails dealing with spirit cooking, child abuse, classified docs mishandled, intimidation, etc. can we do that.

Spirit cooking?

Sure. Go right ahead. I missed Mr. Assange talking about that though ... "source?"

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: RickinVa

Was the server used a private, non-government server or not? Was official business done on this server, or not?

You are familiar with the fact that the RNC is not the government, yes?

No, I don't know the difference, because there isn't any.

Shoot it down then, briefly. Explain to me and all the nice people why Clinton using a private server is the worst criminal act in American history, and the Bush White House using a private server and losing millions of emails isn't.

One or two sentences will do.

Hillary Clinton is documented to have stored Top Secret Information concerning SAP's on an unclassified server. Which happens to be illegal.

Not being prosecuted for something does not mean you did not break the law.


I know you are all hurt because the spotlight has been on your candidate, but she created this freaking mess that she is mired in and nothing you can do or say will ever change that.

She made her bed, now she has to lie in it. Apparently it is a waterbed that had a slow drip for a leak that is now beginning to lose more water every day.


Real life calls....... got a party to go to tonight.......... woohoo.

a reply to: RickinVa

Well, I'm sure that makes you happy, but, seasonal' has requested that we not shift the discussion away from voodoo or whatever they're talking about ... so I'll leave you with this.

Fifty or so high officials in the Bush White House used one or more private email servers and conducted official business on those servers and then reported to Congress that 22 million emails had been lost. You can make the contention that there was no Top Secret information concerning SAP's on those unclassified servers, but alas, you'd have to investigate 22 million emails to discover that.

And your only defense here is that "Clinton did it too."

I now leave you to the discussion of necromancy or whatever it is that Seasonal wants to discuss in their thread.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I now leave you to the discussion of necromancy or whatever it is that Seasonal wants to discuss in their thread.

I wish we were talking about NAFTA or another subject. Trust me I don't pick'em.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: RickinVa

Well, I'm sure that makes you happy, but, seasonal' has requested that we not shift the discussion away from voodoo or whatever they're talking about ... so I'll leave you with this.

Fifty or so high officials in the Bush White House used one or more private email servers and conducted official business on those servers and then reported to Congress that 22 million emails had been lost. You can make the contention that there was no Top Secret information concerning SAP's on those unclassified servers, but alas, you'd have to investigate 22 million emails to discover that.

And your only defense here is that "Clinton did it too."

I now leave you to the discussion of necromancy or whatever it is that Seasonal wants to discuss in their thread.

You have no argument

100% proof of TS/SCI emails on Hillarys unclassified email server.

0% proof of one single piece of TS/SCI on an unclassified server used by Bush..... wha wha wha 22 million deleted emails. I guess that makes them happy their emails aren't recoverable by the FBI doesn't it? Too bad the old Hillster doesn't have that luxury


End of story... case closed... you lose... bye bye.