Night time UFO's is there a better way to get evidence.

Hi All first of all I am a sceptic about most of the night time images & videos posted on here because most that are of a reasonable quality ie not from camera phones ( don't believe the hype they are not good in low light) contain obvious optical or artifact problems.

I do believe out there other life has to exist it's a numbers thing BUT is it advanced or close enough to visit

We have videos posted from youtube of claimed shape changing ufo's which is caused by autofocus not being able to lock onto the object we have the problems of lanterns even stars like Sirius which appear to flash blue red & green we have reports on here about it on a regular basis as a claimed ufo or of never been in the sky before.

We also have the ufo youtubers that have poor quality gear rubbish night vision equipment and of course they don't seem to have any basic knowledge of how photography works.

We have seen a vast change in the last 15 years in digital cameras going from very low res immages to cameras now with 100mp sensors but one of the biggest developments has been low light performance.

I know we have one or two members here that film in certain locations and make big claims about what they see using their current equipment I wonder what would be seen using this.



Below REAL time video not the usual timelapse.



Aurora Real time Video

If people that seem to make a living from doing this used equipment like above we may have real answers of course that also may be the reason they would never use it

I feel your pain, I had a good one over the Gulf the other night, but I couldn't focus right even with a 4k camera.

Not real cool, but...

a reply to: Mandroid7

Manual focus is best if you have the option manual exposure as well can also help.

Absolutely. I've always thought enthusiasts who are into astrophotography - which can be done way more affordably today than most imagine I think, even if not quite at the level depicted here - would be ideal UFOlogists!

Peace.

i thin kthe biggest mistake people make is not using night vision. Night vision can pick up things the ye cant see. If its cloaked then you may pick it up. The best videos out there are night vision.

a reply to: wmd_2008

a reply to: lSkrewloosel

I don't agree lots of night vision equipment is poor quality low resolution.

Yes, it's all nice and well if you happen to have a camera that costs over two thousand pounds just for the body, then you need to purchase the lens as well...and then, you conveniently need to have it on a tripod, set to the right exposure and happen to have a ufo fly over.

There may be a chance of that happening...albeit an extremely slim one.

The fact is, the average guy has his crappy phone in his pocket, with its plastic lens and digital zoom. A ufo pops out from behind a building or a tree, the guy gets excited, is initially attentive of the object itself before realising that he needs to film it. Grabs his phone, tries to zoom in, handshake makes the image flit all over the place and auto focus just won't grab the object so he has to zoom out again, re-focus and the damn object is so small, there is no detail and then off it goes.

Sounds about right, to me.

Since everything we see is fake , it will be impossible to convince people to steady the shot by leaning against something and provide some scale for reference in view, because they are faking it.

Shay cam, shaky cam, blurry oofo... see,Seee?

I am John and my friend is Kevin we live In Kanata Ontario in broad day light there were many unusual bright clouds never thought I would see one but my friend and I saw an orb that was the same Color of the clouds I pointed up I was wearing sunglasses and it was an orb floating from one cloud to the next I pointed we both saw it , it disappeared in about forty five seconds and that's just a bit of ita reply to: wmd_2008

a reply to: fromtheskydown

Using the camera in my post may not require a tripod. Manual focus is best at night.

Many of the youtubers I was referring to constantly post videos or images if they had that type of camera we may have an answer one way or another.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: lSkrewloosel

I don't agree lots of night vision equipment is poor quality low resolution.

Not only that, but the unfamiliarity of what things look like in night vision makes it ripe for misidentifications -- such as a flock of geese being called "formation of spacecraft", or three NOSS satellites being called a "triangle craft", or a bat flittering about while catching bugs as being a "craft making impossible maneuvers".

Maybe night vision CAN pick up an unknown craft that is beyond normal explanation, but at the same time people can be fooled because they are unaccustomed to what explainable things can look like under night vision.

a reply to: wmd_2008

They really aren't good in low light. Doesn't matter what filters or settings are used, either. Particularly for video...sometimes still shots show up, but video at night on a camera phone, forget it. I can't even get a simple night shot of the moon most of the time, and I live on a lake with an excellent, clear view of the sky just about every night.

a reply to: tigertatzen

We all know phones are rubbish at night but this is aimed at the youtubers and one or two on here that use night vision gear which most of the time is crude low res rubbish. Modern digital camwras like the Sony A7s & now A7s II offer a chance of proof either way. Canon have a camera that goes up to 4,000,000 the problem is cost.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Thats the advantage of the cameras shown colours in darkness to stop the BS claims.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: fromtheskydown

Using the camera in my post may not require a tripod. Manual focus is best at night.

Many of the youtubers I was referring to constantly post videos or images if they had that type of camera we may have an answer one way or another.

I would say any camera using its zoom facility would need a tripod to get that clear, sharp shot we are asking for. Of course, it is possible to use a steadying mechanism, such as a fence or wall, as I have done myself. I still maintain that these kind of events...unusual, unexpected and sometimes surreal...do not induce the clear and rational thought that allows someone to do what needs to be done in order to get an undeniable image.

On saying that, it would be good if someone using one the 4K cams happened to be in the right place at the right time...no doubt about it.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: wmd_2008

They really aren't good in low light. Doesn't matter what filters or settings are used, either. Particularly for video...sometimes still shots show up, but video at night on a camera phone, forget it. I can't even get a simple night shot of the moon most of the time, and I live on a lake with an excellent, clear view of the sky just about every night.

I totally agree.
I have an iPone 5S with ProCamera HD and LowLight additions...still rubbish.

a reply to: fromtheskydown

You are still not getting it maybe this little video will help turn up the iso and you can get high shutter speeds.

Look at the video below 50mm f5.6 1/30 of a second imagine a 300mm f2.3 or f4 lens on that with iso turned up.



Below are another 2 examples fire light & moonlight

For those of you not into photography in the old days film had a speed rating ASA the most common was asa 100 you got 200,400 and others with higher ratings and others with lower below 100. As speed went up so did grain and you would lose fine detail slower speeds required longer shutters speeds but gave finer grain and more detail.

Digital camera sensors are similar the have a base rating and the signal is amplified to boost the signal but the draw back is more noise (like fiim grain)





A half decent zoom or telephoto with this camera on some of the youtube light in the night videos case closed.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
I feel your pain, I had a good one over the Gulf the other night, but I couldn't focus right even with a 4k camera.

Not real cool, but...

Hard luck was that a camera phone if so what model

At night manual focus is the way, a quick example bright light in the sky near my house I knew what it was I could here it 70-300 zoom hand held manual focus video left exposure settings the same from ealier in the day here is a still from the video.



Next still from video exposure changed manual focus again.



You can now see what it was.

I did this because I thought it would be a good example to show on here.

a reply to: wmd_2008

Ahhh, gotcha. I was hoping you'd have a fix for the phone camera issue...this is a constant problem for me.

/sad face

originally posted by: fromtheskydown

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: wmd_2008

They really aren't good in low light. Doesn't matter what filters or settings are used, either. Particularly for video...sometimes still shots show up, but video at night on a camera phone, forget it. I can't even get a simple night shot of the moon most of the time, and I live on a lake with an excellent, clear view of the sky just about every night.

I totally agree.
I have an iPone 5S with ProCamera HD and LowLight additions...still rubbish.

Yeah, I've got an HTC One, and it's got a fantastic camera on it, with night features, etc...still sucks balls. Once in a while I can get a decent still shot at night, but it's rare. That's one of the things that irks me on this site when people post footage or pics from a camera phone and people attack them for not having better quality stuff...most people can't afford better. The phones are pricey enough as it is.