Comfort for those in Times of Distress

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: loveofneighbor

That is why you will NEVER find any of his servants homeless, or begging, or looking for food, or a place to sleep.

He takes care of his family.

So then......the displaced Syrian Christian refugees living in temporary camps, or the Christians in Italy who are now sleeping in their cars or tents because of earthquakes --- or the people in Haiti who have had a series of devastating disasters of the "Acts of God" type ---- or the guy who keeps going from street to jailhouse to mental health court but claims he's Jesus ----- those folks aren't really his "servants" or (heaven forbid!) his responsibility?


Bulltish.

Christendom is alienated from God. He has nothing to do with them. Jehovah takes care of his Christian congregation.

originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: loveofneighbor

So, you didn't have money for food so you spent your last gallon of gas to go to church and tell your story. Some guy felt sorry for you and helped you out. This happens every day. Where was god when he created the circumstances that put you in this tough position? Why aren't you giving a god credit for that? Seems like you are picking and choosing which situations to give god credit for.

People are at their weakest when in desperate situations. Are you blaming your previous distance from god as the reason for falling on bad times?

No one knew about my situation. We hadn't told anything to anyone about what was happening to us.

You misinferred what happened. And that is because your mind cannot see what really happened. It did happen to me and I could see it.

Perhaps there is a reason God reveals himself to those who exercise faith in him instead of doubting him.

I don't believe that for one second. You went there crying, looking for handouts. You guilted some sucker into giving you $500 so he could feel good about himself. You're not the only one to ever figure out this con.

Of course you don't believe it, because it is proof that God is real and rewarded my act of faith. But it did happen that way. I did not lie.

And thus your lack of belief is complete. You have to actually call your neighbor a liar because you can't believe the truth.

I did not want to attract people with your heart attitude into this thread, and will stop talking with you. I see it is futile. Your ilk doesn't believe the truth, but relish in lies.

Are you expecting us to believe that you didn't tell your sob story in church? After you just posted it on the internet? And some random guy fills up your gas tank and gives you $500, and he didn't even know you needed it?

Did you expect us to feel sorry and donate some funds too? Hey, it worked on one guy.

a reply to: loveofneighbor

I have come to the realization the title of the thread is attracting the same handful of people who like to fill these threads with vitriol, ridicule and mockery. It was not my attention to draw that class of people.

So I changed the title to hopefully attract a some sincere group of people.

Well, I suppose that's a step in the right direction, then ----

why did you make the thread in the first place if you knew it would bring "the same handful of people" who 'mock' the idea?
Why do you make threads here??? What are you trying to prove?


Oh...

wait.

Yeah, no. Fail. And I haven't even looked at the new "title" yet --

originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: Woodcarver
Is your illness alcohol related?

a reply to: loveofneighbor

Fibromyalgia.

Worsened by your alcohol abuse?

a reply to: loveofneighbor

Ohhhhh...I see. So, only the JWs have it right?

Says who?
You just condemned all of those other people who claim they are 'his servants' but are suffering horribly?

Look, friend: you are not living up to your username if that's what you think.

No wonder you got "mocked." Your position is entirely untenable.

I will be checking back to see if any sincere-hearted person has left a comment.

To those who came to attack me and accuse me of lying so you cannot see the truth. I respect your right to abuse me and falsely accuse me. You have close minds and wicked hearts. There is no point talking with you.

But this thread did serve to reveal very clearly to me and everyone reading it your true heart intentions. And have no doubt about it. God was able to see it long before you made us aware of it.

originally posted by: loveofneighbor

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: loveofneighbor

That is why you will NEVER find any of his servants homeless, or begging, or looking for food, or a place to sleep.

He takes care of his family.

So then......the displaced Syrian Christian refugees living in temporary camps, or the Christians in Italy who are now sleeping in their cars or tents because of earthquakes --- or the people in Haiti who have had a series of devastating disasters of the "Acts of God" type ---- or the guy who keeps going from street to jailhouse to mental health court but claims he's Jesus ----- those folks aren't really his "servants" or (heaven forbid!) his responsibility?


Bulltish.

Christendom is alienated from God. He has nothing to do with them. Jehovah takes care of his Christian congregation.

But didn't this story start with you getting sick and losing your job and your home? I guess jehova was cool with that.

I'd recommend saving your sermons for a flock that cares to hear it.

You're not going to convert anyone here methinks.

a reply to: loveofneighbor

After the meeting, a dear brother told me to follow him so I did and he stopped at a gas station got out told me to fill the tank, paid for it, then got out a checkbook and wrote me a check for $500.

I knew it was Jehovah.

No. It was another gullible (but kind) person who could afford it and who decided to help you. It was not "Jehovah." Even if that guy said "It wasn't my idea, it was Jehovah" that wouldn't make it true.

a reply to: loveofneighbor

To those who came to attack me and accuse me of lying so you cannot see the truth. I respect your right to abuse me and falsely accuse me. You have close minds and wicked hearts. There is no point talking with you.

We're not here to attack you. We're here to respond to a thread in which you presented an anecdote of social kindness and then said it was "Jehovah." But it wasn't.

Just like a second grader might tell a first grader that "Santa" didn't really bring that new red bike, but instead an adult bought and delivered it under cover of darkness. It's not that you're "lying". It's that you're wrong, and misguided, and delusional. That's all.

But hey - if you don't want to be corrected - or to leave behind your ignorance and henceforth DENY IGNORANCE, then - whatever. Call it hate if you want.

YOU made the thread in a place knowing it would be ridiculed. That doesn't make you a 'victim.' It makes you a whiner.

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
I will be checking back to see if any sincere-hearted person has left a comment.

To those who came to attack me and accuse me of lying so you cannot see the truth. I respect your right to abuse me and falsely accuse me. You have close minds and wicked hearts. There is no point talking with you.

But this thread did serve to reveal very clearly to me and everyone reading it your true heart intentions. And have no doubt about it. God was able to see it long before you made us aware of it.

I don't think anyone here will fall for the
1,000,000 thread about how alcohol abuse and bad choices led someone to desperate begging, and instead of thanking and giving credit to the real hero, the sucker that paid for your bad choices, you give it to a ancient ficticious fairy tale.

a reply to: loveofneighbor

But this thread did serve to reveal very clearly to me and everyone reading it your true heart intentions. And have no doubt about it. God was able to see it long before you made us aware of it.

He sent us to straighten out your delusional thinking.
That's what humans do for their compatriots who are suffering from delusions and attributing random acts of kindness (or begged-for acts of kindness) to someone other than the person acting out of kindness.

Shame on you. You are not welcome to make a stupid thread about a ridiculous fantasy you have and then tell everyone who responded to it that they are evil and horrible people and get away with it. And you are being obnoxious about it.

Weak.

originally posted by: loveofneighbor
I have come to the realization the title of the thread is attracting the same handful of people who like to fill these threads with vitriol, ridicule and mockery. It was not my attention to draw that class of people.

So I changed the title to hopefully attract a some sincere group of people.

No, you started a thread with a dishonest title that then lead into dishonest claims

I don't fully agree with OP, or those lambasting him for his choice of words or beliefs. Can we not raise the level of discourse a bit, and show respectful and courteous means of disagreeing with one another?

As for people's beliefs... there will never be compelling proof of God. That's why it's faith, and not empirical knowledge. I have faith, but it is a choice, not the result of persuasive proof. I don't force it on anyone, and I respect everyone else's beliefs - including both those who have no faith, and those of other faiths than my own - and bear no ill will towards anyone on the basis that they do not share my own beliefs.

I thank OP for, from his point of view, attempting to offer what he regards as comfort, even if it isn't received that way, and those trying to alert the OP to the possibility that his or her words might be felt as insensitive to others in struggle. I see good intentions in every post in this thread, even if the mode of delivery might be less courteous than I would like to see.

My only intent is to encourage civility. That is all. I'll leave it at that. Do as you will.

Peace.

a reply to: AceWombat04

I thank OP for, from his point of view, attempting to offer what he regards as comfort, even if it isn't received that way, and those trying to alert the OP to the possibility that his or her words might be felt as insensitive to others in struggle. I see good intentions in every post in this thread, even if the mode of delivery might be less courteous than I would like to see.

My only intent is to encourage civility. That is all. I'll leave it at that. Do as you will.

Peace.

Nicely stated, Ace.

The OP chose to change the title in order to attract a better clientele. His original title was "Proof of God".
You are the newest catch.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I saw the original topic title, and attempted to address is in my post as well. (Hence the paragraph about proof.)

Peace.

anyhow, everyone --- being free to speculate about all of these improbable and imaginary things is part of what makes our world awesome right now.

I'd rather hang out here and talk and debate with people about totally imaginary ideas ---- how 'my favorite book is better than your favorite book!' ----- than to pay attention to the revolting election in the US and the even more demoralizing events all around the world.

Hanging out here is a relief. If the worst we do is say "that's a stupid idea", it's still a million times better than "carpet bomb their asses and their families until it's a sea of glass."




Or....not?

Am I mistaken?

I would say that I think as long as people can find it within themselves to say, "I respect your right to believe X, even though personally I feel Y about said beliefs, but I will not despise you as a human being for them, and on the contrary, sincerely wish you well, no matter how profoundly I disagree with you," we are doing alright as a society. And as a web community.

Peace.

ETA: I would also say that now I have an ocular migraine and am literally blind in one eye so I'm going to lay down lol.

Peace.

originally posted by: AceWombat04
I would say that I think as long as people can find it within themselves to say, "I respect your right to believe X, even though personally I feel Y about said beliefs, but I will not despise you as a human being for them, and on the contrary, sincerely wish you well, no matter how profoundly I disagree with you," we are doing alright as a society. And as a web community.

Peace.

ETA: I would also say that now I have an ocular migraine and am literally blind in one eye so I'm going to lay down lol.

Peace.

Ooo ouch. Sorry. Thinking of you and sending healing energy, my friend.....right now....

a reply to: AceWombat04

People can believe what they want, but when they open their mouths or make a thread about it and post it on an open forum, then those beliefs are fair game and open to ridicule. All beliefs are not equally valid and some are actually harmful.

Waiting on gods to send help or save the day is a dangerous world view. It is not a healthy habit to teach children and even worse for adults to practice. I will always have something to say to folks who preach this nonsense.

I can appreciate your wanting to stand up for fellow believers, but you are only enabling the OP based on your bias towards this topic. JW's are in possibly one of the worst situations as their beliefs put them at odds with most of the reasoning world. At least some of their beliefs should not be supported. Like when OP stated that people whom god likes never suffer. I can't think of a more harmful statement to make to the world.

And you stand up for him?

Not all ideas deserve respect.