The enlightened ones might lack aggression!

a reply to: InTheLight

Well...certainly there is a chronological gap in the Bible regarding the life of Christ. As you have called them the unknown years....and many people have taken that unknown time period and used it to insert their own ideas.

As far as enlightenment goes....I honestly don't know what constitutes it. A person can be enlightened about many things. I almost think "old soul " or " well seasoned soul " would be more fitting to the criteria listed in the OP.

I just want to say that I have come to the realization that I am in no position to even have an opinion on this subject. I have very limited knowledge from a very limited perspective.

On top of that I believe that my brain /mind was 'tampered ' with when I was very young. Because of that...I doubt I am the person I was supposed to be and I really don't trust my own reasoning abilities. Only the ones involved (and God) know what happened to me....

I will stop acting like I 'know ' anything and I have petitioned for mercy in regard to trespasses made in ignorance. Not only in regard to this subject...but in regard to all subjects.

originally posted by: HarryJoy
I just want to say that I have come to the realization that I am in no position to even have an opinion on this subject. I have very limited knowledge from a very limited perspective.

On top of that I believe that my brain /mind was 'tampered ' with when I was very young. Because of that...I doubt I am the person I was supposed to be and I really don't trust my own reasoning abilities. Only the ones involved (and God) know what happened to me....

I will stop acting like I 'know ' anything and I have petitioned for mercy in regard to trespasses made in ignorance. Not only in regard to this subject...but in regard to all subjects.

I do not understand why you feel ignorant to opine on the meaning of life/existence as you experience it. It is yours and yours alone to find your meaning.

a reply to: InTheLight

Ok.....maybe I overstated a little to say no opinion....that's what happens when you wake up in the middle of the night and write a post. It is pretty much impossible not to have an opinion.

A person wisely told me one time to pick a Religion and stick with it....if we entertain too many ideas we never develop faith in any of them.

originally posted by: HarryJoy
a reply to: InTheLight

Ok.....maybe I overstated a little to say no opinion....that's what happens when you wake up in the middle of the night and write a post. It is pretty much impossible not to have an opinion.

A person wisely told me one time to pick a Religion and stick with it....if we entertain too many ideas we never develop faith in any of them.

What if God and Satan did not exist, what would you pick then?

a reply to: InTheLight

I would pick beliefs that nurtured mutual respect for one another and also beliefs that respected and nurtured the earth.

We cannot survive without each other and we cannot survive without the things that the earth provides for us.

Life is not worth living without loving and being loved.

originally posted by: HarryJoy
a reply to: InTheLight

I would pick beliefs that nurtured mutual respect for one another and also beliefs that respected and nurtured the earth.

We cannot survive without each other and we cannot survive without the things that the earth provides for us.

Life is not worth living without loving and being loved.

There are many forms of love. Some take the form of passion for a person or for a thing or for an activity/action, some take on the form of evil in the guise of love.

It may be that our survival will be short upon this Earth as we continue our destructive and disrespectful ways.

So, should the ones that are enlightened about the ongoing destruction become or continue to be aggressive in trying to halt it? Would not using aggression/fighting back be considered a justified defense when one's survival is at stake?

Spirituality-oriented Martial arts can also be linked with religion and spirituality. Numerous systems are reputed to have been founded, disseminated, or practiced by monks or nuns.

Throughout Asia, meditation may be incorporated as part of training. In those countries influenced by Hindu-Buddhist philosophy, the art itself may be used as an aid to attaining enlightenment. Japanese styles, when concerning non-physical qualities of the combat, are often strongly influenced by Mahayana Buddhist philosophy. Concepts like "empty mind" and "beginner's mind" are recurrent. Aikido, for instance, can have a strong philosophical belief of the flow of energy and peace fostering, as idealised by its founder Morihei Ueshiba.

Traditional Korean martial arts place emphasis on the development of the practitioner's spiritual and philosophical development. A common theme in most Korean styles, such as taekkyeon and taekwondo, is the value of "inner peace" in a practitioner, which is stressed to be only achieved through individual meditation and training. The Koreans believe that the use of physical force is only justified through defense.

Systema draws upon breathing and relaxation techniques, as well as elements of Russian Orthodox thought, to foster self-conscience and calmness, and to benefit the practitioner in different levels: the physical, the psychological and the spiritual.

Some martial arts in various cultures can be performed in dance-like settings for various reasons, such as for evoking ferocity in preparation for battle or showing off skill in a more stylized manner. Many such martial arts incorporate music, especially strong percussive rhythms. (See also war dance.)

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a reply to: InTheLight

If war was only fought on a hand a hand level then I would say we may be able to rely upon our flesh to defend us against our enemies but when the weapons of physical Warfare have been elevated to the point where they are at now.... the average person cannot defend against such weapons...so we are forced to turn to the spiritual/quantum level to fight against these things... as it says in the Bible ' We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers spiritual wickedness in high places'

The aggression against us has gone to a level that forces us to have to fight on that spiritual / quantum level... which is the level that we should utilize anyways... but when we have a fighting chance we are tempted to fight against the aggression with physical aggression. I am not saying that there have not been times and may not be times... when physical aggression is appropriate...but I will say the weapons available on the physical level have exceeded our ability to defend against them.

a reply to: HarryJoy

As Jesus advised us to 'turn the other cheek' and give up your cloak too, after being attacked. Do you really think the attacker will learn anything from these actions?

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

I suspect that's a big part of the problem. I don't see the "unenlightened," i.e unreasonable, understanding anything but one thing. You can't reason with the unreasonable, just like you can't fix stupid.

originally posted by: Knight384
a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

I personally was scared about the NWO and such things but when I realized God has a plan overall for this planet and when the end will come and Jesus Christ will come back, well, everything will be fine.

That's a nice thought and all, but it has lended to much credence to apathetic apologism over the decades.

a reply to: InTheLight

I understand your concern believe me it is not in my nature to be submissive if I am physically attacked. I have an aggressive side as much as anyone and once you get me started I'm sure I enjoy it more than the average person. I don't claim to be a saint.

But let me ask you.....do you think the problems we are facing in society can be solved by physical violence? I just don't see how physical violence can bring peace? 'IF' we had perfect knowledge and could judge the people on the earth and render perfect justice. ..then maybe peace could come. But we don't have perfect knowledge. ..at least I don't. I know if I started executing what I believed was justice.....it would only be a matter of time before I made a mistake.

Now having said that. ...I do think if you are minding your own business and someone comes up and tries to harm you....you have every right to defend yourself.

a reply to: HarryJoy

After the U.S. dropped two A-bombs on two Japanese cities that brought an end to that particular war, however I would not define it as peace, as I would like it to be. Can we believe that those that are chosen as our leaders are the most intelligent, learned and enlightened and chose extreme violence as their only option?

Is that approach madness or the easiest and fastest way to end a war?

a reply to: InTheLight

At that time....it was argued that it was the best thing to do because it ultimately saved more lives then allowing the war to continue.

I just don't think that it would work that way again....things are too different now. Too many countries have nuclear weapons....and I'm not sure that they have all been kept track of. The technology is too available and there are probably some nuclear weapons that we don't even know about.

The US has already used them once....and that fact alone would almost guarantee nuclear retaliation if we initiated use of them again...at least that is what I believe.

Besides that....what/who would be targeted ?
Can we even define who and where our enemies are ? There are no longer any clear boundaries....everything is too intermingled.

"When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" by Eleanor Roosevelt

a reply to: InTheLight

I'm not so sure how much it has to do with a lack of tender consciences....as much as being overwhelmed on too many fronts. We can all do what we can to help people that we are personally aware of. But I don't know what we can focus our combined energies on.

I have some ideas for starting a new type of system that I believe would lead to a happy healthy life for its inhabitants. But it will take a while before it impacted the lives of a significant amount of people.

a reply to: HarryJoy

As in barter system? As in new world order?

a reply to: InTheLight

Well I have an idea that I have been kicking around for a while about a way to set up an infrastructure on an undeveloped piece of land. It would be agricultural and light industry based. There would be no currency or bartering. Everyone would have a job and everyone's needs would be met by each other.

I have quite a few details...but there is probably still a lot of planning to do. It is really something that can be quite overwhelming for me....because there are so many components to it. The transportation system would be enclosed bikeways.

I would love to talk to someone that has an interest in such things.

a reply to: HarryJoy

It sounds like communal living and I am sure you could do a search here and around the area you are thinking of buying land to find a forum or an existing community where to ask the right questions.

I too have thought of communal living, but what about the need for health professionals? What about handling violence/thievery from outside (and perhaps even inside) the community (policing)?

Are we then back to square one in the framework of community/society?

Also, what about the enlightened ones/scholars? Would they be expected to put down their text/higher levels of thought and pick up a shovel?