Is Donald Trump Autistic?

originally posted by: xuenchen
What kind of a wild theory is this ?

Its just another Hillary pogue. And I don't care for Trump either. In case you weren't paying attention the system is rigged. Vote? Why don't you go play some 3 card Monte instead, the odds are better.

a reply to: darkbake

I can assure you his IQ is not 156.

originally posted by: darkbake

Donald Trump could have a disability that used to be known as Aspergers, and this can cause people trouble when they try to socialize because their theory of mind is not complete. Basically, they have trouble thinking of how others perceive their actions. These people tend to be highly intelligent. Trump's IQ is 156

My first reaction is, no way is he one of us. But I should never say never. My own big mouth -- and we do have big, verbose, incessant, self-absorbed communications styles, in many cases -- has gotten me in trouble before. I can say with no large degree of uncertainty, he does not have an IQ of 156. There is no way, even if he is severely dyslexic, that he could be so clueless about just about anything that has to do with education and history and anything else except how to F*** people in business, and still be that smart. I'm sorry, but it just does not seem possible, to me anyway, as diagnosed Aspergian with something like that IQ (I am told, I doubt it though now. too old and senile...)

On the other hand, the self-destructive quality of speaking one's mind... now that is somewhat Aspergian. And one doesn't have to be very smart just to have a defective "theory of mind" (which is a B.S. psychobabble concept here, puleeze.) We have defective perception of certain aspects of a social situation -- a perceptual problem at the neural network processing level -- it is not a "theoretical" deficiency except IMO in the minds of cognitive psychologists who purport to understand what they are talking about here. So maybe the Donald is really Donald McHornballed the Sad Pouty Socially Inept Asperger's Orange-face Toupee-Bearing Clown...

Oh and did I mention. We can be extremely arrogant and obtuse -- not realizing just how badly we are coming across to others... Lord have mercy. Maybe you're right!

Except that he is garden-variety narcissist. (They kicked us Aspies out of DSM V anyway so it's too late for a state-side APA diagnosis, trump will need a British shrink for Aspergers.) And Trump is really a patent, blatant, obvious, psychopathic narcissist. I.e. qualifies for Narcissistic Personality Disorder on all seven criteria, IMO (seven, at least, in DSM IV, haven't brushed up on V yet but WTF cares?) People like Trump are a dime a dozen in Hollywood. Been there and been f***d over by those types before. He is the same as roughly half the heavy-hitters there: psychopathologically selfish. Good god, mix that with Aspergers and lots of wealth and what do you get...

Anyway as a psychopathological narcissist, I rate Trump 4.4 stars. As Aspergers, maybe 2 or 2.5. A wannabe autist basically. As "comorbidly" (don't you just love that word) both narcissistically disordered at the clinical level, as well as 75% or better rated on the Asperger's scale, I would rate him a 3.0 at best. I doubt he'd be able to say that he is able, or is compelled to, "focus intently on a single interest or activity for days, weeks, or months at a time, even to the detriment of his health, until he has achieved a mastery of that interest or its parent subject." Doubt that in the case of politics and diplomacy, any way!

Prntly(Trump's IQ)
The New York Times (Trumps fears)

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: darkbake

I can assure you his IQ is not 156.

Ummm...pray tell...assure away...


YouSir

a reply to: Namdru

This is one of the most accurate and fact-filled responses I have ever seen on ATS.

I very much appreciate your efforts.

a reply to: darkbake

Who knows? I'll assert that Hillary may have obsessive-compulsive lying disorder...or OCLD for short.

I just want to say that if he was autistic, the media would be taking advantage of his disability. I'm not suggesting autism or Aspergers is a bad thing, I'm saying it could explain his behavior.

If anything, Hillary supporters would be taking advantage of his weakness because any faux pas he makes is reported.

Thanks for the discussion. He doesn't seem to stay focused on one thing for a long period of time, that is true.

a reply to: reldra

I did some more research after reading your post and it seems we don't know his iq for certain. The 156 was a calculated guess based on his Ivy League schooling.

originally posted by: EartOccupant
a reply to: smurfy

LOL.. I have a little dyslexia... spelling confuses my mind... while communicating : )

But I agree with you... for most parts...

a few remarks I have:

1. Do you know Donald needs the banks to borough money ?
2. You have to start somewhere

Trump started off with $1 million from daddy, the OP touches on that, it's dead money now.
Currently he owes Deutsche Bank hundreds of $millions, in mortgages for golf courses in Florida, and God knows what/where else, even so, as I said the Trump brand name makes the bank, other banks money, and I don't see Trump walking away from that as President, or even if he is able to.
Worse than that, the American government is currently chasing the Deutsche Bank to pay, (presumably Americans) $14 billion in compensation for selling bad assets running up to the banking crash, and so Trump should he become President is going to be in a huge conflict of interest with that bank that he owes so much to. While Deutsche Bank does have setaside money for bad assets, it's only about a seventh of that. That should be a, "Wery Interesting" episode.
The taxman may also be looking very carefully into these golf courses as well, and what ever else could be under the radar.

www.motherjones.com...

originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: darkbake

No.

That is an insult to people like myself with asperger's who manage to get on with our lives extremely well without being misogynistic xenophobic loud mouthed orange tanned assholes.

Jeez, don't tell me Donald's asshole is tanned ornage as well!

a reply to: darkbake

I believe Trump is autistic. This theory is the only thing that makes sense. Obviously the conservatives will try to deflect to prevent the truth from coming out as usual. Deny ignorance as they say.

Stars and flags for this real thread. Finally something worth discussing.

a reply to: smurfy


Well.. you might be right.. or not..

I don't care about money.

I care about ideas...

And executing those ideas.

Career politicians had the chance... for 30+ years.. ... and they #ed up.

Someone with Asperger Syndrome would almost certainly not have the Machiavellian cunning, poker-player psyche, and ability to think on their feet in an intense situation, that cutting a top-end business deal requires, never mind making a career out of doing so.

People with AS are on the whole more ruminative, reflective, and logical than that. They might even be the people to whom Mr Trump would delegate the legal formalities and could be relied on to nail down every fine detail.

Both sets of traits have much to recommend them, but it's a sad truth that autistic people would almost certainly be rendered non-competitive in the business-building environment. And by the same token, that someone like Mr Trump, with his cut-and-thrust character and severely limited attention-span, would be rendered non-competitive if he tried to enter a stereotypically autism-friendly profession like designing code.

Someone like Bill Gates (n.b., only suspected, never diagnosed) is an anomaly in the business world, and his success was built on developing a very good product at the birth of the market. And that product is an extension of his mind, he is synonymous with his own software.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Ask a Medical Doctor that Question , Laymen do not have Medical Degrees .

a reply to: darkbake

I don't know if he's Autistic, but numerous psychologists have said he's a text book case narcissist.

According to a number of top U.S. psychologists, like Harvard professor and researcher Howard Gardner, Donald Trump is a “textbook” narcissist. In fact, he fits the profile so well that clinical psychologist George Simon told Vanity Fair, “He’s so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in workshops.”

A neuroscientist explains: Trump has a mental disorder that makes him a dangerous world leader

Psychologists Break Professional Silence To Diagnose Trump For Public Good

A Psychological Analysis of Donald Trump

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: theantediluvian

Ask a Medical Doctor that Question , Laymen do not have Medical Degrees .

So you don't know what you're talking about, either?

Good to know.

I believe his mental disorder is Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

a reply to: WeRpeons

Those are extremely unprofessional comments, as any qualified practitioner would know that no valid diagnosis can be made outside the context of clinical engagement. Attempting to 'diagnose' someone that you only know from watching edited and selected bits of some of their pre-arranged TV appearances is like 'reading Shakespeare by flashes of lightning'.

In a way, you're almost dealing with a fictional character.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

agreed,lawyers turned politicians have been running this country for too long and they haven`t been doing a very good job of it.Running a country has more in common with running a business than it does with being in a courtroom.
the only lawyer skill that can be carried over into politics is the ability to find loopholes and technicalities in the law that allow them to lie, cheat and scam.