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originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: IcarusEffect
As a UFO abductee, I've never found a good enough reason to suppose that Dr. Leir was exactly as straightforward as we were supposed to assume. His affair with the Turkey UFO business was questionable. I'll not enlarge upon that general criticism.
That comment of my own questionable value, I'll add that my understanding of alien technology is that it is unlikely that mechanical gadgets are implanted in anybody by the ETs. Surely, they would use biological sensors virtually undetectable and not identifiable as ET equipment. So basically, the question is, did Leir EVER have any proof that miniature devices removed from abductees were unmistakably of non-human origin?
I don't think you know what proof is my friend. Using your definition of "proof", a couple of scientists published a paper saying "we discovered cold fusion" so you should believe in cold fusion too.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
I read some of those metallurgy reports of his from a few of the implants removed and the materials had isotopic ratios not common to our solar system, so I would say yes, he showed the proof.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
I don't think you know what proof is my friend. Using your definition of "proof", a couple of scientists published a paper saying "we discovered cold fusion" so you should believe in cold fusion too.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
I read some of those metallurgy reports of his from a few of the implants removed and the materials had isotopic ratios not common to our solar system, so I would say yes, he showed the proof.
A claim is not "proof" until it's replicated or otherwise verified, so there is no proof of either one of those claims. If you think otherwise, provide the verification for either one.
originally posted by: IcarusEffect
I am curious if there have been any true successors to the late Dr. Roger Leir? Dr. Leir was a podiatric surgeon who performed many surgeries removing perplexing objects from various individuals alleging ET involvement. Entering 'Roger Leir' into a search engine provides numerous results pertaining to his history of performing these surgeries, including documentaries and video footage archives that demonstrate his removal of the aforementioned objects.
A relatively short video overviewing Dr. Leir's surgical involvement and discussion of the material:
www.youtube.com...
Did Leir have colleagues or other professionals that succeeded his work?
Criticism[edit]
Skeptical investigator Joe Nickell said that the alleged implants appeared to be ordinary objects such as shards of glass or fragments of metal that become lodged in arms, hands, legs and feet due to accidental falls or barefoot walking. Nickell said that Leir's associate, Derrel Sims, supposedly refused to cooperate when asked to provide a forensic medical institute with specimens or photos for analysis.[3]
We were discussing unverified claims and sorry if you never heard of cold fusion, I thought that case was so famous that everyone had heard of it, my mistake.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Um, no. Since I have never seen any paper published about someone "discovering cold fusion" And we weren't discussing cold fusion either. And besides that bit of dissonance on your part, I would further add that Discovering something and being able to replicate it is quite another matter which you already know.
Post them and we'll take a look, but I can already tell you a podiatrist isn't qualified to conduct nor interpret such tests so who did and what are their qualifications?
And what does what Dr. Leir's lab tests show have anything to do with replicating anything anyways?
Those aren't the only two options. It's possible to conduct a material analysis and misinterpret the results. In one case I read about a scientist lost his job over the incompetence of his claim that the material wasn't from Earth when other scientists jumped in and provided all kinds of examples of that material from Earth from manufacturing processes, it just didn't occur naturally on Earth. The scientist who wrote the analysis looked like an idiot because he didn't consider all the man-made isotopes on Earth produced by various manufacturing processes, and he got fired.
Either those lab results show the truth of what they found, or they are a total lie. Are you saying you think it was all fabricated?
originally posted by: DoomsdayRex
Originally posted by cripmeister
All you guys do is talk, you never deliver. "Oh the evidence is supressed", "no one dares to touch it" bla bla bla. I call BS, doctor.
It may be struck-through, but it is true in this case. People like Leir depend on special pleading and a lack of transparency. Has the paper referenced in the program been submitted for peer-review? Nothing is accepted in science just because someone claims to have done a study and wrote a paper. It must be subjected to rigorous peer-review first.
That Leir and company hide behind special-pleading and excuses is telling.