At charity roast, Donald Trump delivered what might as well be a campaign eulogy

This election has been great.

Watching all of the bickering and cognitive dissonance helped remind me that it's ok to be disgusted with most people's opinions.

It's like an affirmation of my preconceived notion that most people are brainwashed by the media.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
This election has been great.

Watching all of the bickering and cognitive dissonance helped remind me that it's ok to be disgusted with most people's opinions.

It's like an affirmation of my preconceived notion that most people are brainwashed by the media.

I think there's a lot of brainwashed people on ATS.

One person declares something (true or not), hoards of followers jump in in support.

Facts be damned!

originally posted by: TzarChasm
...then why was he voted in?

Because the establishment and the electorate are different things. Unfortunately, one of the downfalls of democracy is that the voting population is pretty stupid. The average level of knowledge on any given issue is pretty low because people only have a passing grasp of issues and fields, and an average population is going to have an average knowledge base.

This means that a voting population is unqualified to actually vote on a candidate based on issues. Instead it comes down to emotion and Trump has a very emotionally appealing message. He's not a corrupt insider, he's free from their monetary influences, and that he's a loud, brash, unspoken individual that's going to shake things up. That's emotional appeal, and being a salesman Trump is great at selling that image. To the people who actually work with the system all day, every day though, they know how things work, they're actual experts on governance and they can base their opinions on facts. That's why the establishment dislikes Trump.

Trump is a very shallow individual, what you see of him on the campaign trail is what you're going to get, and I don't mean policy wise... I mean in the mans ability to react to the world around him. He has a short temper, he's incapable of separating fact from fiction, and he seeks out his own bubble that reinforces his confirmation bias. This makes him temperamentally unfit to be President.

Trump has a good mind for business, because he's in a business which is all about short term benefits. He develops a property, sells it, and makes it someone elses problem. Running a nation requires a long term vision though, and that's a skills that a lot of people lack. Trump is too focused on the short term, and the general understanding of strategy (the basic level most people have) is overly focused on the long term. In order to govern though, you need a good grasp of short and long term thinking. This is something Trump doesn't have which makes him intellectually unfit to be President.

Maybe he'll be elected, we'll know in just over two weeks. As I said when I opened this post... people are stupid, it's the failure of the democratic process. If he's elected he's going to be an utter failure as President though due to his own personal failings.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: JRCrowley
It's stunning to see how far ATS has devolved.

Hillary Clinton is quite possibly the most corrupt person to ever run for President of the United States. This isn't guesswork. It is fact.

For the first time in history, we have a tsunami of documentation that proves almost every little detail of her corruption.

RIP ATS.

Hillary might be crap as far as candidates go, but she is undeniably the lesser evil.

Do you care to elaborate on how you came to that conclusion?

originally posted by: apydomis

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: JRCrowley
It's stunning to see how far ATS has devolved.

Hillary Clinton is quite possibly the most corrupt person to ever run for President of the United States. This isn't guesswork. It is fact.

For the first time in history, we have a tsunami of documentation that proves almost every little detail of her corruption.

RIP ATS.

Hillary might be crap as far as candidates go, but she is undeniably the lesser evil.

Do you care to elaborate on how you came to that conclusion?

I actually think she's worse. Trump would try and work relations with the crap storm we've made in the middle east. Hillary is going to be a war hawk. Johnson wants us out.

originally posted by: Throes
I actually think she's worse. Trump would try and work relations with the crap storm we've made in the middle east. Hillary is going to be a war hawk. Johnson wants us out.

Only one of our two major candidates has proposed wars, and he's proposed three of them, with a large military build up so we're capable of a fourth. Trump wants to go back into Iraq and take their oil. Trump wants to start using force to contain the Chinese. Trump wants boots on the ground to steal land ISIS has taken. These are all wars.

On the non traditional front he has proposed using nuclear weapons if he doesn't get his way. He wants to bring back the days where we kidnapped people off the streets of Iraq based on evidence as flimsy as the type of watch they were wearing, and throw them in GITMO, torturing them for information (something we accused Saddam of doing as justification for going in). He wants to target the families of terrorists for assassination.

Make no mistake about it. Trump wants war, he just doesn't want war with Russia.

To flip this around to Hillary, she doesn't want war with Russia either, but she's pushing back against them. We can't just give Russia everything they want, just because Putin is aggressive in asking for concessions. As long as Putin is in power, tensions with Russia are going to remain high. That's just what happens when you put aggressive, type a, deeply nationalistic people in power. The best way to manage the Russian issue is economic pressure. Oddly enough, this is something the US has been preparing for years with fracking.

The US is currently in the position where we can supply heating oil to most of Europe during the winter. If we were to do so, it would be a major blow to Russian influence in the region.

We probably won't do it, because we want a stable Russia, but simply having the ability to do so, gives us a powerful card in negotiations when trying to contain Russia elsewhere and protect our allies.

originally posted by: apydomis

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: JRCrowley
It's stunning to see how far ATS has devolved.

Hillary Clinton is quite possibly the most corrupt person to ever run for President of the United States. This isn't guesswork. It is fact.

For the first time in history, we have a tsunami of documentation that proves almost every little detail of her corruption.

RIP ATS.

Hillary might be crap as far as candidates go, but she is undeniably the lesser evil.

Do you care to elaborate on how you came to that conclusion?

I am occasionally exposed to the news. I would have preferred Bernie over Hillary, but Bernie defaulted to Hillary. Also, trump has never ever ever held an elected office. That alone should disqualify him, but hey, money.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

God how I miss my dad.

I don't miss mine, he ditched me when I was 11 years old.

The results at the debate didn't look like a eulogy.

Here's The 30 Seconds After The Last Debate That CNN Would Rather You Didn't See

So when the CNN focus group was asked "did this debate help anyone make up their mind or possibly change their vote", the results did not turn out how Goebbels they expected... 5 Clinton 10 Trump 0 3rd Party 6 Undecided

originally posted by: JRCrowley
It's stunning to see how far ATS has devolved.

Hillary Clinton is quite possibly the most corrupt person to ever run for President of the United States. This isn't guesswork. It is fact.

For the first time in history, we have a tsunami of documentation that proves almost every little detail of her corruption.

RIP ATS.

It is stunning isn't it ? ATS was once anti 1% , only hardcore neocons would defend the elite.
Now a couple of years later plenty of members are worshipping Trump like he is a god, a man that has been a part of the 1% all his life.

...or they just think Hillary is so bad that they would rather pick Trump.

that speech wrecked hillary, it doesnt matter what the media thinks, the voters are who matter.

and the voters liked what they heard.


not so sure about you op, i dont think you "got" it.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
...or they just think Hillary is so bad that they would rather pick Trump.

Trump had tremendous support on ATS long before he even got the GOP nomination and Hillary was still struggling against Bernie

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Yes, even if Trump were to be elected, we would be fine.

That is why I do not subscribe to the doom and gloom others feel towards Hillary.

Except - - could Trump really stick it out through the entire term?

If not we get Super Fundamental Pence.

They could just as easily install a statue in the oval office, he's that stoic.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Throes
I actually think she's worse. Trump would try and work relations with the crap storm we've made in the middle east. Hillary is going to be a war hawk. Johnson wants us out.

Only one of our two major candidates has proposed wars, and he's proposed three of them, with a large military build up so we're capable of a fourth. Trump wants to go back into Iraq and take their oil. Trump wants to start using force to contain the Chinese. Trump wants boots on the ground to steal land ISIS has taken. These are all wars.

On the non traditional front he has proposed using nuclear weapons if he doesn't get his way. He wants to bring back the days where we kidnapped people off the streets of Iraq based on evidence as flimsy as the type of watch they were wearing, and throw them in GITMO, torturing them for information (something we accused Saddam of doing as justification for going in). He wants to target the families of terrorists for assassination.

Make no mistake about it. Trump wants war, he just doesn't want war with Russia.

To flip this around to Hillary, she doesn't want war with Russia either, but she's pushing back against them. We can't just give Russia everything they want, just because Putin is aggressive in asking for concessions. As long as Putin is in power, tensions with Russia are going to remain high. That's just what happens when you put aggressive, type a, deeply nationalistic people in power. The best way to manage the Russian issue is economic pressure. Oddly enough, this is something the US has been preparing for years with fracking.

The US is currently in the position where we can supply heating oil to most of Europe during the winter. If we were to do so, it would be a major blow to Russian influence in the region.

We probably won't do it, because we want a stable Russia, but simply having the ability to do so, gives us a powerful card in negotiations when trying to contain Russia elsewhere and protect our allies.

Ah praise God that there are still smart, rational people among us. Thanks for existing! I mean it. You're a rarity,

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Throes
I actually think she's worse. Trump would try and work relations with the crap storm we've made in the middle east. Hillary is going to be a war hawk. Johnson wants us out.

Only one of our two major candidates has proposed wars, and he's proposed three of them, with a large military build up so we're capable of a fourth. Trump wants to go back into Iraq and take their oil. Trump wants to start using force to contain the Chinese. Trump wants boots on the ground to steal land ISIS has taken. These are all wars.

On the non traditional front he has proposed using nuclear weapons if he doesn't get his way. He wants to bring back the days where we kidnapped people off the streets of Iraq based on evidence as flimsy as the type of watch they were wearing, and throw them in GITMO, torturing them for information (something we accused Saddam of doing as justification for going in). He wants to target the families of terrorists for assassination.

Make no mistake about it. Trump wants war, he just doesn't want war with Russia.

To flip this around to Hillary, she doesn't want war with Russia either, but she's pushing back against them. We can't just give Russia everything they want, just because Putin is aggressive in asking for concessions. As long as Putin is in power, tensions with Russia are going to remain high. That's just what happens when you put aggressive, type a, deeply nationalistic people in power. The best way to manage the Russian issue is economic pressure. Oddly enough, this is something the US has been preparing for years with fracking.

The US is currently in the position where we can supply heating oil to most of Europe during the winter. If we were to do so, it would be a major blow to Russian influence in the region.

We probably won't do it, because we want a stable Russia, but simply having the ability to do so, gives us a powerful card in negotiations when trying to contain Russia elsewhere and protect our allies.

Ah praise God that there are still smart, rational people among us. Thanks for existing! I mean it. You're a rarity,

So this proposed no fly zone over Syria which HRC proposed isn't going to lead to a declaration of war? Got it.

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Throes
I actually think she's worse. Trump would try and work relations with the crap storm we've made in the middle east. Hillary is going to be a war hawk. Johnson wants us out.

Only one of our two major candidates has proposed wars, and he's proposed three of them, with a large military build up so we're capable of a fourth. Trump wants to go back into Iraq and take their oil. Trump wants to start using force to contain the Chinese. Trump wants boots on the ground to steal land ISIS has taken. These are all wars.

On the non traditional front he has proposed using nuclear weapons if he doesn't get his way. He wants to bring back the days where we kidnapped people off the streets of Iraq based on evidence as flimsy as the type of watch they were wearing, and throw them in GITMO, torturing them for information (something we accused Saddam of doing as justification for going in). He wants to target the families of terrorists for assassination.

Make no mistake about it. Trump wants war, he just doesn't want war with Russia.

To flip this around to Hillary, she doesn't want war with Russia either, but she's pushing back against them. We can't just give Russia everything they want, just because Putin is aggressive in asking for concessions. As long as Putin is in power, tensions with Russia are going to remain high. That's just what happens when you put aggressive, type a, deeply nationalistic people in power. The best way to manage the Russian issue is economic pressure. Oddly enough, this is something the US has been preparing for years with fracking.

The US is currently in the position where we can supply heating oil to most of Europe during the winter. If we were to do so, it would be a major blow to Russian influence in the region.

We probably won't do it, because we want a stable Russia, but simply having the ability to do so, gives us a powerful card in negotiations when trying to contain Russia elsewhere and protect our allies.

Ah praise God that there are still smart, rational people among us. Thanks for existing! I mean it. You're a rarity,

So this proposed no fly zone over Syria which HRC proposed isn't going to lead to a declaration of war? Got it.

Also, her and the current administrations arming of Syrian "rebels" (aka ISIS) for regime change (to overthrow Assad) is not exactly making us any safer.

History will decide if this was a eulogy and whether it was for the Trump campaign or, much more realistically, US democracy.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
...or they just think Hillary is so bad that they would rather pick Trump.

... or they understand that Hillary represents the 1%, except in public.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: muzzleflash
This election has been great.

Watching all of the bickering and cognitive dissonance helped remind me that it's ok to be disgusted with most people's opinions.

It's like an affirmation of my preconceived notion that most people are brainwashed by the media.

I think there's a lot of brainwashed people on ATS.

One person declares something (true or not), hoards of followers jump in in support.

Facts be damned!

We're you talking about your Ilk? The one's shilling for Hillary even when they obviously know they're wrong and making excuses?
It's a sad time to be alive watching how people are willingly ignorant or just paid to tow the line.