Do you believe the Belgians?

www.geocities.com...

Click the link and watch the video..taken over Belgium just over a decade ago.
Compare them to the Phoenix lights and the recently released Mexican Air Force video.
We've had the same lights over Israel and always, after the furore dies down skeptics claiming they were flares, faulty radar, filmed by other folks than [preferably white] Americans..y'know ..and not by Belgians or mexicans, who must by definition be dumb, llok at where they live..right? And they don't speak like us and don't have our money so they must have second class eyes, ears, video equipment, radar installations and powers of reasoning..is that it?

Lights just like this have been reported by our own pilots flying missions over Iraq..and i'm talking as recently as last summer.
I am trying to get someone to confirm what I've only had said to me in a private chat with one of my buddies still serving in the green zone and he says these.." fly-overs have raised eyebrows all the way back to HQ at higher"..meaning D.C. to me.

The belgians recorded these lights and so did their radar and pilots..three seperate radar systems were used to track them and when they held news conference detailing all of it no one paid attention..and why? becuase it wa the Belgian Air Force..like it is now the mexican air Force and that explains everything.

As it happens, Belgium is one of our NATO Allies..and NATO is based in Brussels...the capital of Belgium..in fact it is the location of what is arguably our most sensitive European HQ.
Do I need to tell anyone how sensitive Israel is as an ally..or how close the co-operation?
Is it credible that the US and or the Israeli gov't would pull of a mystery lights stunt over Tel Aviv or in Haifa Bay knowing how prone to messianic fantasies and superstitions the population of the Holy land actually is?
And to what purpose?

What would the pilots of three allied air-forces lie..and even if they would, why would identical lights be used in 3 distinct 'hoaxes'.
You'd think if they were proved fakes the first time no one would buy the same lights again..right?

Where are the critical thinkers when it comes to questions like this, I wonder?

-Sincerely
-shai

Thats our (US) spy plane, its called a TR-3B
Soooo yes I belive them lol....

It works of mecrury based antigravity principals founded from old india texts containing "vimmana" literature.

Any questions , lol

[edit on 24-1-2005 by lizzardsamok]

This looks a lot like the rumored TR-3B craft said to be the next black aircraft project to be unveiled. While possibly built using recovered ET tech, I'm more of a mind that it's manmade in origin, and undergoing some field tests. This is FAR different than the Phoenix lights...

As for Phoenix, I'm pretty sure those are actually flares as stated, and for two big reasons...

1. They disappear exactly in sequence compared to the mountain silhouette, just as flares would appear to do so when going down behind the mountain.

2. If you really look, the lights are not a well-defined line, they are off, pointing to it not being one solid structure, but individual lights. Unless we're assuming very shoddy ET workmanship of course....

This though, appears to be one craft (as opposed to multiple craft in the Mexican gun camera footage). I'm betting TR-3B on this one though...

What do their ships look like and are they more like the grays or the reptilians

and not by Belgians or mexicans, who must by definition be dumb, llok at where they live..right? And they don't speak like us and don't have our money so they must have second class eyes, ears, video equipment, radar installations and powers of reasoning..is that it?

I can't even start to express how wrong and on how many fields that statement is when talking about belgium, so I hope that was sarcasme ...
Belgium is one of the top countries (in alot of cases above the US in world statistics) in prosperity, technology, welfare, education and alot so on, not to mention that more then 50% of the country is multilingual.

Next to that, there are 3.4 Million internet connections(nearly all DSL or Cable), over 8 million cellphone numbers and over 5 million landline numbers in use. That in a country with just over 10 million inhabitants. Which means there is an internet connection in nearly every single home and nearly everyone has a cellphone.

Anyways, I saw this UFO too, heck, the roof of my house was nearly ripped of by Jets flying over so low it broke 2 windows.

Not to mention that the black triangles are still seen in belgium, quite regularly and quite ironicaly in and around the city's where the US is sharing an Army base with Belgium, an army base that is used to store US nukes and munitions ... this could be the reasons why there are UFO's there I guess or why the US would use top secret aircraft to do surveilance there.

Originally posted by thematrix

and not by Belgians or mexicans, who must by definition be dumb, llok at where they live..right? And they don't speak like us and don't have our money so they must have second class eyes, ears, video equipment, radar installations and powers of reasoning..is that it?

I can't even start to express how wrong and on how many fields that statement is when talking about belgium, so I hope that was sarcasme ...
Belgium is one of the top countries (in alot of cases above the US in world statistics) in prosperity, technology, welfare, education and alot so on, not to mention that more then 50% of the country is multilingual.

Next to that, there are 3.4 Million internet connections(nearly all DSL or Cable), over 8 million cellphone numbers and over 5 million landline numbers in use. That in a country with just over 10 million inhabitants. Which means there is an internet connection in nearly every single home and nearly everyone has a cellphone.

Anyways, I saw this UFO too, heck, the roof of my house was nearly ripped of by Jets flying over so low it broke 2 windows.

Not to mention that the black triangles are still seen in belgium, quite regularly and quite ironicaly in and around the city's where the US is sharing an Army base with Belgium, an army base that is used to store US nukes and munitions ... this could be the reasons why there are UFO's there I guess

or why the US would use top secret aircraft to do surveilance there.

I think that was an attack on Mexicans not Belgians, though I may be wrong and that doesn't really excuse it anyway.

Hey dj, where are you about in Manhattan? I grew up in Harlem.

Originally posted by thematrix
Hey dj, where are you about in Manhattan? I grew up in Harlem.

Upper West Side

Definitly the TR-3B...

Shai probably took the jokes the dutch make of the Belgians a bit too seriously? either that, or he was really sarcastic...

Belgians are good people, they know how to party and they make SWEET guns...

I just found a link on this forum about it...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
Definitly the TR-3B...

Shai probably took the jokes the dutch make of the Belgians a bit too seriously? either that, or he was really sarcastic...

Belgians are good people, they know how to party and they make SWEET guns...

Originally posted by lizzardsamok
Thats our (US) spy plane, its called a TR-3B

I didn't realize that the TR-3B was a "totally silent" airborne vehicle reportedly measuring two to three stories in height & almost 3 football fields in length/width & can silently jet out of sight in an instant or can maneuver at speeds beyond the capability of an F-16 or almost instantly drop from 10,000 to 500 feet in 5 seconds

Christ, it took the unmanned Saturn probe, Cassini, swooping within 500 miles of Earth after having swung past Venus twice in a slingshot effect, 7 years to reach Saturn...and it takes the space shuttle several minutes to reach escape velocity...SHEEESH & DUH!! NASA, advanced technology is @ your doorstep...just call the Black Projects @



[edit on 25-1-2005 by evilution]

Originally posted by Shai


We've had the same lights over Israel and always, after the furore dies down skeptics claiming they were flares, faulty radar, filmed by other folks than [preferably white] Americans..y'know ..and not by Belgians or mexicans, who must by definition be dumb, llok at where they live..right? And they don't speak like us and don't have our money so they must have second class eyes, ears, video equipment, radar installations and powers of reasoning.

-Sincerely
-shai

Come on lads thats blatant sarcasm.Dont take everything so seriously

Originally posted by lizzardsamok
Thats our (US) spy plane, its called a TR-3B
Soooo yes I belive them lol....

It works of mecrury based antigravity principals founded from old india texts containing "vimmana" literature.

Any questions , lol

[edit on 24-1-2005 by lizzardsamok]

Dear Ground Zero,

I get sick to death of 'rebuttals like these..what do you do just repeat verbatim what you pull of a website without asking yourself critical questions?

No where in yourt article does it say that the TR-3B is capable of the flight dynamics shown by Belgian radar..furthermore the objects on the screen were up to 15 times larger than TR-3B's ...
But here is the critical question[s] ..of what possible value are planes like these to our military? Do you read anywhere that they have a combat role? No armaments and no bombs. So ,would they be used for recon? No because they move too fast and too high to capture ground activity.better to use stalites or unmanned craft that hover at high altitudes.
Also, these TR-3B's having engines would make noise wheres the UFO's ar e silent.

Lastly, even if your assumption was true it does not explain why we are building them and then usin gthem to scare our allies..which the Belgians are.
That their own pilots and gov't had no clue that our craft were about to scare their populace is telling in itself..don't you think?
And if thewy were indeed some of ours, why not say so and scare our enemies to death? Why deny what hundeds have seen?

If we are flyiing TR-3B's it means we are attempting to duplicate the abilities of other craft from which these TR-3B's were modelled
..ones which have no earthly function..not as weapons or spies..and thatv we are deploying them over friendly skies to upset common folk and NATO allies.

Is that seriously what you are trying to say?

I mean..does it ever cross anyone's mind to just sit down and think a minute before blithely typing some pap apologia for the powers that be?



Sincerely
-Shai

Originally posted by Gazrok
This looks a lot like the rumored TR-3B craft said to be the next black aircraft project to be unveiled. While possibly built using recovered ET tech, I'm more of a mind that it's manmade in origin, and undergoing some field tests. This is FAR different than the Phoenix lights...

As for Phoenix, I'm pretty sure those are actually flares as stated, and for two big reasons...

1. They disappear exactly in sequence compared to the mountain silhouette, just as flares would appear to do so when going down behind the mountain.

2. If you really look, the lights are not a well-defined line, they are off, pointing to it not being one solid structure, but individual lights. Unless we're assuming very shoddy ET workmanship of course....

This though, appears to be one craft (as opposed to multiple craft in the Mexican gun camera footage). I'm betting TR-3B on this one though...

Oy..enough with this flare excuse. have you ever been in the miltary? Do you have friends in the military? Flares leave smoke trails, they hiss and they leave detritus on the ground.
But lets'say you were right..and they were flares...why would you drop them over a city that is ablaze with lights? Why drop them over civiilian areas and without warning..to see how crowds would react to strange lights inb the sky?..to demonstrate our new smokeless flare capablilities?
And why then over Israel [without informing us!!!]..to see of they were effective over other well-lit cities?

Were they to light up bombing sites or bunkers..or to be used as targeting markers for some ground-based new weapons exercise?
Was it an operation run by Psy-Ops just to see what kind of response they'd get or could predict if aliens truly were in our skies?

www.finart.be...

www.geocities.com...

I'm beginning to believe what my uncle told me more than 30 years ago.."people don't really want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..people want to hear whatever makes them feel safe when they go to sleep at night..and they will cling to that story regardless..the truth be damned"

-Sincerely
Shai

Oy..enough with this flare excuse. have you ever been in the miltary? Do you have friends in the military?

I've been a military brat all of my life...I grew up around tarmacs and airplanes, choppers, etc. I've got numerous friends and family in all of the armed services, and my father works on the Raptor at the Lockheed plant in GA. You?

Flares leave smoke trails, they hiss and they leave detritus on the ground. But lets'say you were right..and they were flares...why would you drop them over a city that is ablaze with lights? Why drop them over civiilian areas and without warning..to see how crowds would react to strange lights inb the sky?..to demonstrate our new smokeless flare capablilities?

I wasn't privy to the mission parameters. Were you? Only the ones who dropped them would know the reason. Look, the lines weren't straight. Would aliens or the government have such bad craftsmanship as to not be able to string lights in a straight line? I've seen the footage over and over and over again. If you take a day shot from the same exact angle, and then superimpose this over the night video footage, you'll see the flares go "out" as they go behind the silhouette of the mountains...simple as that. It wasn't over the city, but was visible from the city.

I can't comment on the Isreal sighting, didn't look at that one, but it may be completely different, such as the one in the video clip, and not related to flares at all. I'm just saying that the flare argument holds up better for Phoenix than a craft with crooked lights and lines....

didn't realize that the TR-3B was a "totally silent" airborne vehicle reportedly measuring two to three stories in height & almost 3 football fields in length/width & can silently jet out of sight in an instant or can maneuver at speeds beyond the capability of an F-16 or almost instantly drop from 10,000 to 500 feet in 5 seconds

Wow, you could tell all of that from a few second clip? Amazing... Seriously though, if it was erratic on the radar, I'm not sure how reliable their interpretations were. And yes, according to most sightings, the TR-3B (if it even exists, kind of like the Blackbird or Raptor, before officially announced), is reportedly quite silent and VTOL, as well as incredibly fast. If it exists, we're talking completely new gen here....

Look, I'm a firm believer in UFOs as most here know, but I do like to consider the plausible before leaping to the fantastic.... and the triangle ships seem more like unannounced stealth ships than alien craft imho.

[edit on 25-1-2005 by Gazrok]

Originally posted by Gazrok

didn't realize that the TR-3B was a "totally silent" airborne vehicle reportedly measuring two to three stories in height & almost 3 football fields in length/width & can silently jet out of sight in an instant or can maneuver at speeds beyond the capability of an F-16 or almost instantly drop from 10,000 to 500 feet in 5 seconds

Wow, you could tell all of that from a few second clip? Amazing...

Seriously though, if it was erratic on the radar, I'm not sure how reliable their interpretations were. And yes, according to most sightings, the TR-3B (if it even exists, kind of like the Blackbird or Raptor, before officially announced), is reportedly quite silent and VTOL, as well as incredibly fast. If it exists, we're talking completely new gen here....

Yes, seriously...
I suggest you read, Read, READ!!! Here are a few. Do a search yourself. If you have a problem believing in some of the reports, I understand your level of skepticism.

www.ufocasebook.com...
www.geocities.com...
www.nuforc.org...

Transcript of Dr. Steven Greer's Interview
on Coast to Coast AM Radio with George Noory
October 28/29, 2004
GN: But they're huge! I mean, they're absolutely huge!

SG: Yes, and what's interesting, the ones that we encountered in Belgium...one of them came over us at Henri-Chappell down out of a cloud and just one corner of it that dipped down was so enormous and a light that was at one end of it looked as if it was larger than a full moon as it was descending on us and some of the gendarmes that we interviewed and spoke with said that one of these objects was over a little town near Henri-Chappell in Eastern Belgium and it was hovering right above the town's steeple and at one point - they left this out of the official reports because they were afraid of being ridiculed - this enormous object that was three football fields long on each side of this enormous triangle, very silent, maybe a slight transformer humming sound which is what I've heard from them, suddenly collapsed into what looked like a red pulsing ball, a plasmalike ball of of energy and then shot straight up out into space. I have heard that report and our groups have seen this sort of phenomenon before, where you have something like, well, what has happened to it? It has shifted, what, out of dimension, or into some other energy form? Here is this massive structured craft that suddenly appears to just collapse into this pulsing point of energy and then flies out into space. So, that's the sort of - these things are so fascinating and by the way, this is how I really got hooked on this whole thing because when I was a child, as I mentioned, when I was eight or nine years old, I saw one of these objects in broad daylight. It was more of a disc-shaped object, silently hovering and some boys and I in the neighborhood saw it. Of course, my family said "Oh,yes. Well it's the imagination of a little boy." But it stuck with me, and so this caller - many people have seen these objects and you never forget it when you've seen one...

[edit on 25-1-2005 by evilution]

Originally posted by djohnsto77

Originally posted by thematrix
I grew up in Harlem.

Upper West Side

Oh you two should get along hansomely!

[edit on 25-1-2005 by Nygdan]

Dear Ground Zero,

I get sick to death of 'rebuttals like these..what do you do just repeat verbatim what you pull of a website without asking yourself critical questions?

I do not believe I was doing just that Shai, I think you might confuse me with Amok since you quoted him...

I was just sharing my observation, as for the sighting, it seems the classic discription of the craft reported to be called the TR-3B...

I did not pull a single thing off a website for what I have said...I am seriously confused...

What we have by now, a triangle shaped 600feet large in diameter, with unusual moving dynamics, but no heavy weaponry, no spying capabilities, and why the military has the need for developing it.
Well, answer is simple it is reverse engineering project, and don't forget death rays which are the standard weaponry on the tringle UFOs.

This project is highly probable made over some crash site recovery ship, and now we play with them.
I think it is too big for being a spy plane, and why is it so big?
Because we can not minimize the built in technology in the smaller hull.

Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo

Dear Ground Zero,

I get sick to death of 'rebuttals like these..what do you do just repeat verbatim what you pull of a website without asking yourself critical questions?

I do not believe I was doing just that Shai, I think you might confuse me with Amok since you quoted him...

I was just sharing my observation, as for the sighting, it seems the classic discription of the craft reported to be called the TR-3B...

I did not pull a single thing off a website for what I have said...I am seriously confused...

Dear groundzero,
I apologize and you're right I wasn't addressing you..the quote/post confused me for a sec.
I know about TR-3B's..they have engines..are relatively small..and are not in the least capable of the kind of flight as described by the belgians, the mexicans nor the 5 pilots and radars of other [allied] nations.
As for what prompted us to build our models..yes, no doubt an attemt at reverse engineering..of monkey see, monkey copy...and a strong reference to how the 'gods'feel about our very human tendency to artifically replicate what we see can be found in Genesis 11..

I refer you another posting of mine entitled 'What you have to believe to be a non-believer' where I think most of the questions others have ..and their critiques are addressed.

Thanks for the reply..and sorry again for any ruffled feathers

-Sincerely
-Shai