Donald Trump Says He May Not Accept Election Results...Media Freaks Out.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ok fine. Back up this "fact"

The fact remains that his answer wasn't "Yes, I will accept the results" so THAT is what is wrong.

Then please go on to tell me about "different deck(s) of facts."

originally posted by: BubbaJoe
This is actually a pretty big deal, they say, We lost, we will move forward and work together to get things done, Donald is not willing to do this. I hope he rots in hell.

Wow, this is surprisingly ignorant. The best we can hope for is for the politicians to stop moving forward and working together. You say Trump should rot in hell (for being a rude jerk?, wow, lets see where God will send you then?) yet when politicians move forward the world only goes to hell.

There is no easier way to sum up all of the last 100 years of politics in the USA than to say government spending has increased from perhaps 10% to 15% of GDP to about 35% of GDP, and nearly all countries including the USA now face economic hell. We know the ignorant masses are too dumb to have government spending cut more than in thirds to resume former greatness and "Make America Great Again", but they are not too dumb to lock up politicians in contradiction with one another. In fact, it seems to be their main strategy and it has worked to some extent.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well, I personally think it is important to consider who funds the organization behind that report.

As to the content, I do not believe that voter fraud is investigated sometimes. Case in point, Pia Farrenkopf, dead in her garage for two years -- her body undiscovered -- and yet someone cast a vote in her name in a Michigan governor's race.

Link to Pia's story

Her family believes she was murdered.

So...if she was murdered, it was likely by someone with an interest in voter fraud. The fraudulent vote was chalked up to a 'clerical error' with no substance to back it up or explain that 'error.'

Nope. The Brennan Center's report doesn't satisfy me.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agree with this, that people ascribe to Trump far more purpose or intellect or integrity than he actually has. He's not thinking as deeply as his supporters. He's thinking about money, spotlight and power, that's it. Not even sure of the order.

I was reading a newspaper article this morning and there are Republican politicians lamenting his recent words here but at the same time saying that NOW he'll buckle down and run a serious campaign. Like really?

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Things change. *shrug*

You didn't answer my question.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Still not disputing the content of the study so I didn't read your post there.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I did answer it and i'm telling you that things change over time. Change is inevitable (for the good or the worse)

This is / was typical DJT.
Look at the headlines in every major media outlet.
Master of the sale.

If anything, it shows how easily time after time he dupes the press.
He knew in advance the statement would be highly controversial.
That's why he said it, and baited them with Pence and his daughter.

Buck

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I did answer it and i'm telling you that things change over time. Change is inevitable (for the good or the worse)

No. You said things change. My question was specifically, "Do you know how important American precedent is in American politics?" Your answer: "Things change". Yeaaaaa. That isn't an answer. It's just a distraction. I'm asking DIRECTLY about your knowledge base. Clearly you just want to play a partisan game with me here since you are deliberately being obtuse. That's why I tested you with this question. Now I know I don't have to respond to you any further since I won't get anything involving an honest debate from you.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

This is what drives me up a wall about Donald Trump. He vomits diarrhea from his mouth and smart people such as you defend his idiocy like its an intelligent opinion coming from someone who actually thought about the consequences of his words and their implications. So you offer a perspective through YOUR eyes versus someone who is just saying stuff to make people angry and because he is a sore loser.

This latest gaff, with how unprecedented and un-American it is, should have been the final straw to break the Trump back and get the whole country against him, but instead we have people defending his sly way of trying to buttress up an excuse to de-legitimize the election.

I cannot pretend to know the motivations of a 3rd party that I have never personally interacted with. I am very good, however, at reading people I meet personally like a book.

If we are being honest, im a whole lot more concerned with him importing illegal chinese steel. I know good people in Pennsylvania that are hurting.

This is where the rubber meets the road for me, too. I honestly am not a fan of Reagan, and Trumps pursuit of more trickle down turns me off 100%. Trickle down killed the middle class. It'd be nice if we had a candidate say something like, "Im going to restore the value of the dollar to 1950's values". Or something that really matters.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
This is where the rubber meets the road for me, too. I honestly am not a fan of Reagan, and Trumps pursuit of more trickle down turns me off 100%. Trickle down killed the middle class. It'd be nice if we had a candidate say something like, "Im going to restore the value of the dollar to 1950's values". Or something that really matters.

I have to agree with you here. Trickle Down Economics is a failed policy and needs to be scrapped.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Still not disputing the content of the study so I didn't read your post there.

Quoting the Brennan Center's Report:

THE TRUTH ABOUT VOTER FR AUD
There have been a handful of substantiated cases of individual ineligible voters attempting to defraud the election system. But by any measure, voter fraud is extraordinarily rare.

AND

Instead, much evidence that purports to reveal voter fraud can be traced to causes far more logical than fraud by voters. Below, this paper reviews the more common ways in which more benign errors or inconsistencies may be mistaken for voter fraud.

AND

Clerical or Typographical Errors

In the course of millions of recorded votes and voters, it is virtually certain that there will be clerical errors. Often, what appears to be voter fraud—a person attempting to vote under a false name, for example — can be traced back to a typo.

AND

Jumping to Conclusions

Those searching for fraud — politicians, pundits, and even occasionally prosecutors — sometimes jump to unwarranted conclusions with a limited amount of information. The “birthdate problem” above — mistaking two different people with the same name and birthdate — is one example. But there are many other circumstances in which observers draw illicit conclusions from data that in fact have a benign explanation.

I dispute the angle of their report on Voter Fraud. The truth is that what warrants investigation as possible voter-fraud is not always investigated and, instead, is assumed to be 'clerical errors.'

Again, I linked to a story where a fraudulent vote was cast in a dead woman's name -- allegedly, no one even knew she was dead, at the time, but her family believes she was murdered -- and her fraudulent vote was not investigated for fraud (let alone evidence of a possible murder). Instead, that vote was simply assumed to "most likely" be a clerical error without any explanation for that position whatsoever:

The body of 49-year old Pia Farrenkopf was discovered in her garage on March 5, sitting in the backseat of her Jeep Liberty. It was found by a contractor who was going through the house since it’s being foreclosed on.

Although her remains are believed to be at least six years old, records in Oakland County show Farrenkopf voting in the 2010 gubernatorial election between Republican Rick Snyder and Democrat Virg Bernero.

City of Pontiac officials told the Detroit Free Press that it was "most likely" a clerical error. The city clerk said that someone with an infrequent record like hers usually only vote in presidential elections as opposed to gubernatorial or smaller elections.

Link

The Brennan Center did not even consider the possibility that maybe it's those chalking up questionable votes to 'clerical errors' who are the ones "jumping to conclusions."

Pia's story is a testament to that position.

ETA: And, again, George Soros' OSF funds the Brennan Center. That matters to me.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye


The Brennan Center did not even consider the possibility that maybe it's those chalking up questionable votes to 'clerical errors' are the ones "jumping to conclusions."

Pia's story is a testament to that position.

The thing is, these cases do frequently end up in court. No significant voter fraud has ever been found in such cases, even when they are investigated.

Here's a study: www.washingtonpost.com... lion-ballots-cast/

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Sum to all fallacy. "Hey guys I found a singular case of voter fraud, therefore the whole country is corrupt!"

The media's idea of "accept" in largely misconstrued.

a reply to: Greggers

And how many cases are simply chalked up to "most likely" being clerical errors without any investigation whatsoever?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Sum to all fallacy. "Hey guys I found a singular case of voter fraud, therefore the whole country is corrupt!"

I never said the whole country is corrupt. Don't put words in my mouth.

Your fallacy is a Straw Man.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
This is where the rubber meets the road for me, too. I honestly am not a fan of Reagan, and Trumps pursuit of more trickle down turns me off 100%. Trickle down killed the middle class. It'd be nice if we had a candidate say something like, "Im going to restore the value of the dollar to 1950's values". Or something that really matters.

I have to agree with you here. Trickle Down Economics is a failed policy and needs to be scrapped.

It seems to me - - to be an antiquated idea - - from a time when the wealthy felt a responsibility to their community.

Nothing wrong with the concept itself.

Just doesn't work in modern times when profit is the bottom line over all else.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Greggers

And how many cases are simply chalked up to "most likely" being clerical errors without any investigation whatsoever?

The ones in which the losers don't bring a case. Politicians who genuinely feel cheated do bring cases.

Also, those "other causes" from the Brennan report weren't just pulled out of thin air. Those were the true causes for suspected voter fraud uncovered in real legal investigations.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Greggers

And how many cases are simply chalked up to "most likely" being clerical errors without any investigation whatsoever?

But, do you think there's enough to sway an election?