Who Won the debate?

a reply to: xstealth

watch it at 16:50, I've heard other news sources say they have all 40 hours and have many journalists verifying the unedited footage - but this is the only one I could find on youtube for proof.

Oreilly said the entire undercover tape was 40 hrs in length, but he did not say it was complete, unedited footage. Fox may have their hands on the complete series that Veritas has made, but again, nowhere does he say it's unedited.

But I'm sure they've had time to verify it now, 10 journalists watching 4 hours of footage each. If something was wrong with it, it would be headline news now.

Or they do not have their hands on the unedited footage.

Again, where is your evidence?

Trump had his moments, as did Hillary.

I feel like Trump needed to stop using the word "bigly" and other silly things like that which make it easy for people to bash him. He should of focused more on WikiLeaks, he should have been more clear that he doesn't love Putin.

This was his last chance to lay it all on the line.

Hillary should have attempted to seem less robotic and scripted.

This last debate was mostly a disappointment and I don't think it'll change any minds. Which means Hillary won, and will most likely win the presidency.

Trump needed to leave it all out on that stage and crush Hillary, proving she is crooked and unfit to hold the office. He did not do so, and I feel it has cost him the election.

Whether he ever really wanted to win or not, I am still not sure.

a reply to: introvert

The episode before the one I posted, he said that they have the 40 hours complete unedited footage and are still reviewing it. I can't find that one on youtube right now, maybe someone will post it today.

originally posted by: xstealth
a reply to: introvert

The episode before the one I posted, he said that they have the 40 hours complete unedited footage and are still reviewing it. I can't find that one on youtube right now, maybe someone will post it today.

So you don't have evidence then.

Ok.

originally posted by: GoShredAK

Trump needed to leave it all out on that stage and crush Hillary, proving she is crooked and unfit to hold the office. He did not do so, and I feel it has cost him the election.

He had to be careful, too aggressive would get him called a sexist against and they'd say he's unpresidential.

I think he knows that Wikileaks is going to take care of that in the next 2 weeks.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: xstealth
a reply to: introvert

The episode before the one I posted, he said that they have the 40 hours complete unedited footage and are still reviewing it. I can't find that one on youtube right now, maybe someone will post it today.

So you don't have evidence then.

Ok.

I gave evidence and you don't want to accept it.

Even if they announce tonight that all 40 hours of footage has been verified, you still wouldn't accept it.

You're ran by confirmation bias.

a reply to: xstealth

I gave evidence and you don't want to accept it.

No, you did not. You have not provided evidence of unedited footage being provided to the media.

Even if they announce tonight that all 40 hours of footage has been verified, you still wouldn't accept it.

I accept Fox at their word. I have no doubts that they have 40 hours of footage. Question is...is it unedited and will they provide it to the public?

You're ran by confirmation bias.

Are you resorting to projection now?

Drudgereport on going polls of who won the debate last night.

TRUMP 87.15% (699,772 votes)


CLINTON 12.85% (103,167 votes)


Total Votes: 802,939

www.drudgereport.com...

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: reldra

Well of course she won. She was always going to according to you.

I will wait for others to claim Trump won by a landslide.

Then, eventually the truth will meet between the two camps and we will discover yet again that the MSM is snuggly in Clinton's circus.

This whole thing is one big farcical bucket of poo.

P

I never said she was always going to win this debate. I know you think you sound neutral and or smart with those comments, but that is not true either.

Look at my Avatar and now figure out where I live Relda.

I do not have a nag in this race.

You have two.

Lol.

P

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Don;t feel bad, she had the facts, he didn't. We need someone who knows what the are doing.

ROFL. Thanks for the laugh. She knows how to lie and get people killed. Her 30 years of experience is all bad.

originally posted by: reldra
This will be a discussion for about a week.

Trump behaved more normally than he usually does. He was coached well. But, he doubled down on vetted lies he stated in past debates.

He loudy talked over the moderator too many times.

He lost more women voters by doubling down on being pro life and that he wants to appoint Supreme Court Justices that will overturn Roe V. Wade.

He sounded shaky on 'Foreign hot spots'. He sounded like he was making some things up. Clinton definitely knows a lot more about foreign policy.

In regard to taxes, Trump's plan will raise the debt and make it harder on the middle class and the poor. I heard, during the tax discussion , Trump say , "Such a nasty woman". He interrupted many times during that.

Toward the end, Trump started losing control.

Clinton definitely won, possibly not by such a wide margin as before, but she definitely won. Trump was simply triained to act a little better.

Clinton gave better answers than she has before.

He still spoke in non-facts and bad plans. He ends with saying he will do more for African Americans and Latinos...so delusional.

The moderator did a fine job. He was aggressive with both candidates.

Shirley you jest...It was a slam dunk by Trump, again...Sure, hillary rambled on endlessly...The only thing hillary could be pinned down on was HOW she was going to improve the economy and pay for her half a trillion dollar new social programs...She's going to massively tax the rich people and corporations...And with this windfall, she's going to create a bunch of 'make work' projects...Just like Roosevelt did at the end of the Great Depression...

Everyone but the democrats know that rich people and corporations don't really pay taxes...When hillary robs these people of their cash do you think their profits and take home pay are going to decrease??? Of course they won't...They will increase the cost of their goods and services and their customers will pay the increase...Their customers are the middle class...

By raising the taxes on the wealthy, Hillary will be raising taxes on the middle class...Just a democrat political scam...

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Well as an unbiased observer,,,
I say that because I didn't waste the time watching.
Everybody says the person that they support on every thread won the debate.
So in conclusion, nobody won.

Or, peoples biases prevent them from making objective decisions. If someone can't even objectively score a debate, how can they actually rate any of the policy proposals referred to in the debate in order to make an informed vote?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: reldra

Where did she get RICH after she was so broke?

The going rate for speeches from Presidents is $250k each. Bill gives a lot of those.

I'd say our Military lost in the debate. Hillary gave away the exact timing of our nuclear response to the entire world in the debate. That was highly classified information. Guess that 30 years of experience didn't teach her a thing. Can't figure out classified emails and can't keep a secret! Buckle your seats if this loose cannon gets in.

a reply to: thepixelpusher

Public article: 8-5-16

Our Nuclear Procedures Are Crazier Than Trump

U.S. presidents are currently given a four-minute window to decide whether or not to initiate an irreversible apocalypse. Sad!

foreignpolicy.com...

a reply to: Annee

That link is to a site for registered users only, so couldn't read it. I hope you understand that by Hillary verifying the timing by speaking of it publicly is unprecedented. It's classified no matter what information is out there publicly. You must not have bothered to listen to the Retired General opinion on the video link I posted. Listen first, then respond. I posted that link for informational purposes pertinent to this.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: Annee

That link is to a site for registered users only, so couldn't read it. I hope you understand that by Hillary verifying the timing by speaking of it publicly is unprecedented. It's classified no matter what information is out there publicly. You must not have bothered to listen to the Retired General opinion on the video link I posted. Listen first, then respond. I posted that link for informational purposes pertinent to this.

She didn't say anything.

This is manufactured hysteria.

a reply to: Annee

The point is she can't keep anything secure. Not her communications, her emails, nor her classified information. She's a security leak that pleases our enemies. That's a fact and not manufactured. Putin has got to love it if she gets in.

Probably, like Obama, she'll announce troop movements before they deploy.

a reply to: thepixelpusher

What she actually said is: there's about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so.

From a 1979 article.

Based on discussion that occurred during the MSNBC segment about the steps leading up to the use of nukes, the article focused on the "timeline" of nuclear events based on an anecdote from 1979: All those steps leave something like eight minutes from the first call to the White House to the last moment at which the president can act. Much of those eight minutes is lost to the task of informing the president. The first call to the White House isn’t to the president, of course. It is to a person designated by the president for this task. (Well, probably the military assistant to that person — another minute ticks off the clock.) In November 1979, that person was Zbigniew Brzezinski — then-President Jimmy Carter’s national security advisor and father to Mika, who was sitting next to Scarborough, solemnly shaking her head at the idea of Trump with the bomb.

You should really watch Zbig tell the story, though the bottom line is that he recalled having only three minutes to decide whether or not to inform the president,after which the president had four minutes to decide whether or not to retaliate. At the end of his three minutes, Brzezinski’s military assistant called back to tell him it was a false alarm — someone had left a training tape running. www.snopes.com...

This article is even better. It explains the whole procedure. Dated September 7, 2016

www.bloomberg.com...

So you're an apologist for Hillary. If you bothered to watch the video I linked to you'd know that the military is appalled at her verifying or discussing this classified topic.

Let me explain it so you can understand it. Let's say you regularly unlocked you house from 8am - 8:04am daily to go to work. Would you be happy if a family member went on national Tv to share this info? It might open the door for exploitation to enter your house by unsavory forces. You see why the military is appalled that Hillary confirmed anything whether public or not. Watch the video. You're still going off without watching the video.