Motive: Absentee ballots illegally held in RNC office destroyed in firebombing

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: projectvxn

What's Donald's narrative on this?

That he's going to lose because of fraud.

He's only half right. America is going to lose because of fraud. Irrespective of who 'wins'.

The hoax image is from gettyimages

So, this firebombing might be part of something larger. Will watch for more.

ETA this image is from the first twitter account, not the one written up to be a hoax, but it is assumed by some online posters that this one is a hoax made up by a twitter troll.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Phage

Hmm..Interesting that.

Seems so much of the alternate media is just as bad as the regular media.

Worse. They dont have the revenue coming in like the MSM. They need the clicks . So they take and "expand" on a story via glorified headlines.
What was the old saying ? " There is one born every minute"

a reply to: Gothmog

Actually, it turns out that the NBC article was modified at some point.

Could someone explain to me how completed absentee ballots could be "held" at the Republican headquarters? Does North Carolina hand out absentee ballots in batches or something? In our state an absentee ballot must be requested from the county clerk and returned to the clerk by mail or delivered to the office---as the lady in the quote outlined. Seems to me like somebody's really, really reaching here.
More likely than completed ballots being "held" at the office, the reporter got it wrong and is trying to scratch about in the litter box to cover up that fact. Reporter probably hadn't a clue as to how absentee voting actually works. What possibly could have made him/her believe that the election commission in a heavily Democrat county would be handing out absentee Republican ballots all willy-nilly?
Geeze folks, put on your thinking caps! Like someone said earlier, I've no doubt that there is a ton of fraud in both parties. I've long known that the winner of the election is the one who can manipulate the vote most efficiently. I know that Democrats have special powers to rise from the grave when election time rolls around. That's pretty much common knowledge. I suspect that Republicans just buy the services of good hackers to manipulate the electronic voting machines. Until those things are outlawed we can't possibly have fair and real elections.

"North Carolina Republican Party spokeswoman Emily Weeks told NBC News that the office is totally unusable and that materials inside may have been destroyed. The state party said completed absentee ballots were not stored at that office."

"CORRECTION: A previous version of this article quoted a party official as saying completed absentee ballots might have been destroyed in the attack on the Orange County Republican Party office, which was incorrect. The North Carolina Republican Party and its county organizations do not collect completed absentee ballots."

NBC Link

a reply to: LockNLoad

This could very well be an accidental misquote by the reporter. It happens. (Then again?) I doubt she would have so casually said this as it would be election fraud and a bizarre one too...

If they had completed ballots, they would have to be for dead people or something because the absentee ballot system has very strict rules that would prevent them from doing this.

It would be highly illegal for them to have completed absentee ballots in their possession.

AB

One question needs to be answered - why would Emily Weeks even bother mentioning that sample absentee ballots were among the burned items? There is absolutely nothing special about a sample ballot. It is a form used to instruct people on how to fill out their ballot form. You could burn a million of them, it affects nothing. Yet, of all the things that were destroyed in this act of arson, for some reason Weeks stated completed absentee ballots, THEN she issued a retraction through NBC and via her Twitter feed, claiming she meant "sample" and not "completed." Again, if we look at her original statement, replacing 'sample' for 'completed,' why is that even worth mentioning? "Our office is completely unusable, including the sample absentee ballots..." Really? That's what you're concerned about? Not the voter registration rolls, or computer hard drives, but sample ballots.

Her statement makes a whole lot more sense in it's original instance "Our office is completely unusable, including the completed absentee ballots..." I can understand her making a statement like that as it plays up the sinister nature of the fire. Switching it to "sample" only makes her look like a liar.

If indeed that office was holding completed ballots, well that is a major issue that needs to be looked into. A lot of Republican voters may not vote for Trump, going Green, Libertarian, or even Clinton, and the RNC office may have been working to keep these ballots from going to the Board of Elections.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

knowing the media (save for Fox) is all about Clinton, if this was legit, they would scream it for days. Anything to smear the RNC. A retraction was issued and it sounds like the reporter just didn't have a clue. speculation is nice, but couple it with common sense and it all kind of fits nicely.

a reply to: network dude

The reporter did not make any mistake. It was Emily Weeks who stated "completed absentee ballots" the first time. She tried to walk it back by saying she meant "sample absentee ballots." That is a weak argument, because there would be no reason to mention sample ballots at all, as there is nothing special about them. Tracy Reams of the NC Board of Elections states that this (or any) political office should not have ANY type of blank ballot form.

Collecting and harvesting completed absentee ballots is electoral fraud, and has been practiced before.

This is why a political office would have a bunch of completed absentee ballots

Organized fraud using absentee ballots - Dallas Observer

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
This leads to a possible motivation in the fire: destroy the ballots. If it was a case of anarchists burning the office (as happened 11 years ago), then the criminal act may have inadvertently revealed another criminal act by the GOP collecting holding those ballots. Or it may be a case of the members of that office did not want these votes to be counted - especially given the number of Republicans that are voting against Trump.

Just something else to consider with everything else going on.

If there was someone who wanted those "completed absentee ballots" destroyed (ETA for whatever reason), it might make sense to firebomb the RP headquarters and only spraypaint the DP office on the same night, to make it look like someone was out to get both parties.

North Carolina GOP admits it illegally stashed completed absentee ballots in firebombed office [and now denies it]

In the hours since a North Carolina Republican Party office was firebombed while no one was in it, reactions have been flying from all sides. Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton offered words of support, while Republican nominee insisted (without a shred of evidence) that Clinton’s supporters were behind it. Trump’s suspicious response has led to the question of whether he himself was behind it. But now comes a shocking revelation of a different kind: the GOP was illegally stashing completed absentee ballots in that office.

The admission came from North Carolina Republican Party spokeswoman Emily Weeks herself, when she told NBC News that the items destroyed in the burned office included “completed absentee ballots.” It immediately came off as an attempt at claiming the election was being rigged by whoever burned down the office, wiping away some people’s votes in the process.

But that quickly led to the revelation across social media that stashing completed absentee ballots in such an office would have been illegal to begin with, she then changed her story, insisting that “the ballots were not stored at that office.” So her position now appears to be that completed absentee ballots were destroyed in that office even though they weren’t in that office. In other words, was she lying when she claimed the ballots were destroyed in the fire, or was she lying when she subsequently claimed there were no such ballots in the office? She can’t have been telling the truth both times.

originally posted by: desert

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
This leads to a possible motivation in the fire: destroy the ballots. If it was a case of anarchists burning the office (as happened 11 years ago), then the criminal act may have inadvertently revealed another criminal act by the GOP collecting holding those ballots. Or it may be a case of the members of that office did not want these votes to be counted - especially given the number of Republicans that are voting against Trump.

Just something else to consider with everything else going on.

If there was someone who wanted those "completed absentee ballots" destroyed, it might make sense to firebomb the RP headquarters and only spraypaint the DP office on the same night, to make it look like someone was out to get both parties.

Exactly. The ballots illegally held by that office may have been the motive for that fire. The graffiti at both offices was just a coverup.

So I'm thinking, could it be that someone in the GOP wanted the ballots destroyed because they would reveal GOP shenanigans and didn't want the GOP to look bad, or that someone wanted the ballots destroyed in order to destroy certain votes.

I don't understand why one building would be fire bombed and another not if it was an "anarchist".

Politics is not for the faint of heart lal

Archive.org's copy of original NBC page
www.21alive.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Support pours in for firebombed North Carolina GOP group

Still a very peculiar thing to single out for mention.

So, "vote harvesting" is illegal, but what if someone "offered" to mail in a completed absentee ballot for an individual. As in, "Thank you for filling out your ballot. Here, let me help you, I'll take it to (post office, office of voter registration, polling place, etc) for you", the voter being unaware of the NC provision ‘have to be mailed, can only be delivered by a close family member’.

Even though that provision might be written on a ballot envelope, I'll bet there are people who don't read it or overlook it.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

so there was a fire investigation, and surely at least one of these documents survived right? So all we need now is proof that those documents existed. Then we can expect to see this all over the MSM. It would be fantastic timing and likely destroy the RNC, so just let us all know when the proof can be viewed.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer


Is there actual audio of her saying this? You are using NBC as a source quoting her. Did they quote her correctly or is it a misquote?