Trump Rally Green Bay Wisconsin LIVE Stream 17OCT16

Trump has been awful for this country. He has torn it apart. He has fostered hate and division... his rhetoric has been the worst ever.... Instead of a political opponent he has turned his opposition into an enemy in the eyes of his supporters. They are being brainwashed and turned into anti-American extremists.... He can't even control their rage at his rallies... they are a mob spinning out of control.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Are you saying that there was no hate and division prior to last year?

a reply to: DBCowboy


Watch a Trump rally, listen to the screams of hate, the chants to "lock her up!" These people are being converted into extremists...

a reply to: DBCowboy


Watch a Trump rally, listen to the screams of hate, the chants to "lock her up!" These people are being converted into extremists...

a reply to: DBCowboy


Watch a Trump rally, listen to the screams of hate, the chants to "lock her up!" These people are being converted into extremists...

a reply to: spiritualzombie

I've had Hillary supporters here who openly state that they want to "lock me up" or "send me away'.

Again, was there divisiveness prior to last year?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Zero comparison-- a man fanning the flames of division and hate, promising to jail his opponent, all the shouts and anger and poison--- vs a post someone said to you? No comparison.

This is horrible. You want the U.S. in a civil war? You want people killing each other? This is the way to do it. What Trump is doibg is irresponsible and dangerous.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

So we're better off just obeying Hillary.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I hoped you would say concern of civil war is over-reacting-- instead you ask if Hillary would better than us killing ourselves? And you imply it would be much worse to have Hillary as president. This is what I mean when I say Trump is creating extremists.

originally posted by: eluryh22

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: eluryh22

I do think that the number of people that make the time to actually show up at events is a slight indicator of "where the public is" regarding a candidate.

Historical data says otherwise.

This claim is made every election, because for whatever reason, Republicans love political rallies.

I can't say if that is right or wrong. Do you have any links where I can verify that? I know Obama drew ENORMOUS crowds wherever he went. Romney didn't do too bad but it paled in comparison as best I can remember. I also remember Obama killing it in the previous election and McCain... meh. Let me know if there is anywhere I can read about your assertion.

Placing more value in crowds than polls is a recipe for failure

This isn’t to pick on Trump and his fans exclusively. MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki flagged a report this morning from the fall of 1984, when Walter Mondale pointed to crowd sizes as proof the polls – which showed him losing badly to Ronald Reagan – could be wrong. Mondale soon after lost 49 states.

In presidential elections, size doesn't always matter

In fact, extrapolating electoral prospects from the size of rally crowds is often a misleading metric -- for evidence, look no further than the campaigns of Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, John Kerry and Mitt Romney. Bernie Sanders thrilled thousands of people in mega-rallies over the past year and a half as well.
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But history shows, that for all its faults, polling is a better predictor of electoral success in a broad electorate, than crowd size.
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In 2004, hopes soared on the Kerry plane that massive crowds just before election day -- 80,000 in Madison, Wisconsin, and 50,000 on Cleveland's waterfront, assured victory. But Kerry lost both Ohio and the White House. In 2012, GOP nominee Romney was misled by crowds which swelled as election day approached. "Look at the parking garage!" Romney gushed in footage aired in the documentary "Mitt" as he eyeballed a crowd on election day in Pittsburgh. "Intellectually, I've felt we're going to win this and have felt that for some time, but emotionally just getting off the plane and seeing those people standing there ... I not only think we're going to win intellectually, I feel it as well," Romney told reporters, hours before losing handily to Obama.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

What kind of extremism have we seen under Obama?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Hillary will be a far worse president.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: spiritualzombie

We see the danger in electing someone that says 'Can't we just Drone the guy'.

Reference to silencing someones speech because it's and 'inconvenient truth'.

So "We should take out their families" doesnt come in to play? Thats Trumps words, or is there some twisted justification for that.....

Or advocating shutting down media because you dont like what they say?

Or making a watch list for all muslims?

None of this is dangerous?

Do you guys not see the hypocrisy here? All that is "silencing"

a reply to: JacKatMtn

Just saying...you are on a roll today.

a reply to: kruphix

I wonder if private ownership through corporations of voting machines could have anything to do with things the things you mention? I think electronic voting machines should be gotten rid of entirely. Letting a computer count votes is pure laziness.

Votes should be counted by hand, and double-verified at minimum. I think anyone on the political spectrum should agree with what I just said. The only votes that count are the electoral, but the people's vote does affect the electoral sway - I believe.

I was in support of Johnson last election. I won't vote for Gary Johnson this time because of his support for TPP and his support of big-pharma this time around.

a reply to: kruphix

To your first point... "Placing more value in crowds than polls is a recipe for failure".....

The article you quoted cited...

During the race for the Democratic nomination, Bernie Sanders and his supporters would routinely emphasize the amazing crowds that would turn out for the Vermont senator’s events.

Unfortunately, the recently leaked e-mails displayed that the DNC was working with HRC to inappropriately (illegally) derail Sanders. Link

Regarding your second citation... From within your link..

Bernie Sanders thrilled thousands of people in mega-rallies over the past year and a half as well.

Again... proposing a candidate that was railroaded by his own party is hardly a substitute for hard data.

Another quote from your link...

Barack Obama's mega rallies in 2008 did turn out to be an indicator of strength and surprising competitiveness in red states like Missouri -- where he once had a crowd of 100,000 people and Indiana, where he attracted 35,000 to a rally in Indianapolis. He ended up losing Missouri by a whisker but peeled Indiana out of the GOP column.

So Trump's crowds may or may not indicate public sentiment....? Possibility or no?

5 pages of replies, and I got not one modicum of info about what Trump said at the rally. Come on people. I really wanted to know what was said at his rally, seeing as how the local news wouldn't air it.

originally posted by: Natas0114
5 pages of replies, and I got not one modicum of info about what Trump said at the rally. Come on people. I really wanted to know what was said at his rally, seeing as how the local news wouldn't air it.

By way of posting, you have access to the World Wide Web.

It's everyone else's responsibility to spoon feed you?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So "We should take out their families" doesnt come in to play? Thats Trumps words, or is there some twisted justification for that

Don't know why some people try to make that an issue considering some peoples stance on abortion.

THAT IS taking out families. STATE sanctioned.

Or advocating shutting down media because you dont like what they say?

Did you missed Obama and CLinton and company shut off Assanges internet because they didn't like what he had to say.

Or making a watch list for all muslims?

And we all know who was trying to equate that list with gun control.

And we all know WHO created the background check, and gun regulation that deny EVERY SINGLE's persons civil liberties in this country.

What the hell happened to you Man ?

That's just regurgitation without critical thinking.

Something that's Trump critics have in spades.

a reply to: eluryh22

So Trump's crowds may or may not indicate public sentiment....? Possibility or no?

Obama's crowd size corresponded to his poll numbers, Trump's don't.

That is the entire point of both articles.