UFO expert Max Spiers found dead after warning- If anything happens to me, investigate

Disclaimer: I think this guy died of a perforated stomach ulcer or similar, hence the vomiting black stuff (blood), and that his text to his mother was caused by his recognition that something bad was happening to him, even if he didn't understand what it was.

H o w e v e r ...

Here is a BBC story about the rise of Satanism in Poland. It's more than a decade old, but links increased Satanism to declining living standards in Poland. Poland is currently suffering badly in an economic sense, so presumably the same conditions apply now as did then.

And here is the first part of a four-installment documentary about Satanism in Poland.



People who find the 'Satanism' angle interesting might find these pieces relevant and stimulating. I don't believe that angle on the story, but certainly found them interesting in their own right.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

It would be very informative if the interviewer would ask Max from time to time from where he got his information. Some of the stuff is so very unbelievable that it would be a welcome addition if the listener would know how he got informed. Maybe it would also shed some light on his early death.

a reply to: audubon

Your disclaimer could very well be true.

It was being repeated, and now I don't know if it came directly from Monika when she spoke to any one of the people she spoke to about Max's death which wasn't many, that this black stuff/goo/blood was coming out of all of his orifices.

I will check out the video series you posted.

It would not surprise me one iota if satanism is behind the declining living standards in Poland.

a reply to: tweetie

It would not surprise me one iota if satanism is behind the declining living standards in Poland.

I should clarify here: The BBC piece's 'take' is that more young and poor people are taking to Satanism due to the hopelessness of living standards and the evaporation of life-aspirations; not that Satanists are driving down the economy.

I mean, you never know, but the BBC's case is the former rather than the latter.

a reply to: audubon

Thank you for the clarification. I got it.

One feeds upon the other in a closed loop I would say.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

This story has found itself on the front page of the Washington Post...maybe there is something to this 'mysterious' death after all?


Washington Post Coverage

a reply to: audubon

I watched the series. It's sad. Years ago I had a young man write to me on my blog because of a certain post I'd made who was involved in satanism, he was freaked about what was happening to him, and not long after I was informed he committed suicide.

Humanity, in my view, is collectively experiencing a huge deficit in spiritual sustenance which is no accident.

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
a reply to: TrueAmerican

This story has found itself on the front page of the Washington Post...maybe there is something to this 'mysterious' death after all?


Washington Post Coverage

I've seen hundreds of these types of posts on ATS in my decade here, but I rarely comment on them because many times they are BS, but this one resonated with my intuition.

I hope people here on ATS take note, on this particular case.

I never go against my intuition these days, because my 5 senses and logic can be deceived.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Note to myself: It's time to talk to that stranger with the same Hubble deep-field background image... )
Hi,
for whatever reason it's in this thread. I haven't started to analyse this guy yet. People can stand on the wrong side even with 70 or 99% of the stuff they say being true. Being used or decieve intentionally. I'll tell you something. I think it has to be years ago when I was speaking about the energy released when many people watch the same movie at the same time (TV,cinema). And I believe I was not the first one here. (Think about a collective synchronisation of thoughts and emotions in terms of the energy that can't be destroyed) Those in the movie industry have the greatest impact on world's subconsciousness. Remember the movie "Inception"? I'm sure dreams were different for many people before it. It's just an example. What about injecting thoughts about simulated reality with Matrix. Not to mention violence, horrors, porn.

So maybe you don't need sick slaves in black habits when it's like ten peace-monks' chanting in Tibet against a milion views of a sick vid.
Why would a Devil needed anyone to redirect an energy when it's personality is manifesting itself in billions?
You sound to be able to see a bigger picture but your uncovered MO reminds me hazardous playing with occult powers, hearing voices, channeling etc. What is the point? Do you want others to do your job? Do you want others to cross the line with you? Doesn't it make you a self-exposed target when you talk things? My intention is to give this thread some time, rethink and come back later

Obviously heroin.

a reply to: southbeach

inclined to agree with you on this one, people would just seem them as another "nut" and leave well alone...

originally posted by: audubon
Disclaimer: I think this guy died of a perforated stomach ulcer or similar, hence the vomiting black stuff (blood), and that his text to his mother was caused by his recognition that something bad was happening to him, even if he didn't understand what it was.

H o w e v e r ...

Here is a BBC story about the rise of Satanism in Poland. It's more than a decade old, but links increased Satanism to declining living standards in Poland. Poland is currently suffering badly in an economic sense, so presumably the same conditions apply now as did then.

And here is the first part of a four-installment documentary about Satanism in Poland.

People who find the 'Satanism' angle interesting might find these pieces relevant and stimulating. I don't believe that angle on the story, but certainly found them interesting in their own right.

Systemic Polish Satanism. That's the conclusion that I'd come to before seeing this. I never knew that such a thing was so popular or posed such a problem in Poland. Doesn't seem to absurd now after all. Thanks for sharing, disclaimer noted.

My understanding of Max's beliefs after watching many interviews is this

He believes there is war here on earth. Different alien races are involved and inter dimensional beings demons etc.

this world is a 3d hologram. we reincarnate over and over again in this world. a window is opening up, we are at the end of many cycles, i don't remember which ones, one is a hundred years, i think one was 3600 years, and many more cycles end now.

this window allows those who have learned their lessons to escape this world and go to the next dimension, or consciousness. we can create a new paradigm here on earth free from these other forces.

those who do not learn their lessons, and do not escape, will be sent to another world, much like earth, where they will go through all the cycles again, just like this world.

he was also exposing the black magic rings that exist on earth. the paedophilia. I believe this more than anything caused his death if it was actually foul play. The masons and other groups would certainly be mad at him for the exposure. if nothing else the man was right about the black magic and the new world order and the elite attempting to enslave humanity.

He said that if we failed, then a man would sit in a throne in jerusalem, i believe like the antichrist.

He also believes himself to be what they have named a super soldier. he claims when he was younger he was put in secret programs to program him

he believes he was put in these because he was a targeted individual, because he was a volunteer from a higher dimension.

he said that things on earth had gone on so long, that volunteers were coming to earth to help us.

He said that the elite here on earth knew when these beings would come, and targeted them from birth.

thats a brief synopsis, let me know your thoughts

A rather modest hypothetical proposal, then?

Was he truly spaced out on heroin in his last days, as they say?

He seems to be on the level here:

Anyone know if he was to any degree a health-nut? Drinking activated charcoal can color vomit or anything really, black. Just a thought. Not buying the magic story.

No one saw the X-File movies?

They're out there.

I believe you, I know exactly what allegories you allude to, a very good description rich in detail and very well described, just the mere act of putting it out there though - Does it create your own mini movie moment or invite in the players you want to play in your own ritual so to speak - I am not accusing just to make that clear but in the grand scheme of things - isn't the whole world a stage where we are the players?

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Watched the you tube clip. He seems like he had mental health issues. That said, it doesnt mean he didnt stumble on to something that the people involved couldnt risk being publicised.

Just came across this update on Max Spiers.