I thought the Clintons were way worse before this election....

Going into this election I didn't doubt many of the Clinton conspiracy theory's were true. I have no respect for our politicians.

I tend to think that all politicians are dirty, and the clintons have been politicians for longer than most.

However, after looking into all the scandals that have been reported. I have come to the conclusion that it's not the clintons that are dirty They are no worse than the rest....it's the system that's broken....

The reason there is never any wrong doing found, when these scandals are investigated by the FBI and GOP led congressional committees (the same republicans pushing the scandal in the first place). Is because it is all normal operating procedures for our politicians, made legal by different politicians generations ago...


Exhibit A: the DNC Email leak.

Those emails were private. They were never meant to be public records. So hypothetically the authors had no real reason to lie or obfuscate. If they (the dems) were all rife with corruption the emails should show it. They should be the smoking gun of all smoking guns. No different than if y'all saw my text log...you instantly know most of my secrets....but there was no smoking gun...hell they can't even quote the parts that prove "pay for play" and the DNC rigging the convention, because there is no email that says that...AND THEY WERE PRIVATE, THERE SHOULD!!!


The worst one they can point to is :

"Has Bernie admitted he is an atheist, think he has dodged it and said he is of Jewish heritage..."

Which was a question no one ever even asked Sanders!!


Exhibit B: Juanita Broderick..including her with your 2 "accusers" was stupid when the other two have a legit varifiable case.

I didn't know the story of the rape allegations before the election, but they are the most thin BS you have ever heard. She has no proof of ever having a public or private conversation with the clintons. Didn't accuse him till decades later and has told 2 different republican investigators it didn't happen...

The GOP is using the excuse of "well they falsely accuse us too" BS then point to Clarence Tomas and other allegations that were never proven..


The GOP had it right that it was ridiculous to "always assume the accuser is telling the truth." It's a logical fallacy. You have to actually investigate criminal actions befor throwing around public accusations..obviously.


The GOP flip flops have proven exactly how principled they are. Exactly how much they care about "high Christian values"...

How do they go back to being the "moral " party after this???lol

How did they let a life long democrat destroy the gop?!?!

As bad as Hillary Clinton is, the right wing did themselves no favours by turning her into a caricature...

I mean Alex Jones is calling her a Demoniac and Trump called her "the Devil" during the debate...

& for a lot of people, that's hard to take seriously.
Even if she is a demon devil.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
As bad as Hillary Clinton is, the right wing did themselves no favours by turning her into a caricature...

I mean Alex Jones is calling her a Demoniac and Trump called her "the Devil" during the debate...

& for a lot of people, that's hard to take seriously.
Even if she is a demon devil.

Funniest thing I heard was good ole Al talking about how he heard Clinton and Obama are actual..real demons. he said he heard reports of people who are next to them and they smell bad, like sulfur..proving they are actual demons.

....Alex and others like them are basically world news daily made flesh...it is batboy and lobstergirl style reporting...and no doubt attracts the same type of minds.

I dislike Hillary for a multitude of reasons, some from her and her attitude, her words, and some of her policys, but also what she is representing to millenials and radical feminists..I dont care if she is a woman..frankly her genitals I find are one of the few redeeming considerations for her, but...its just a mess.
But what she isn't...is a mythological demon come to take over the office of presidency.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

But she's not a "demon devil." She's a woman who pissed of the "establishment" of Old Men Who Rule because *gasp* she didn't just bake cookies and encourage kids to read as First Lady.

They demonize her not because of what she has actually done, but because she dared to break the unwritten rules of the day. She has never been forgiven for that.

There is more than one way to publicly lynch somebody. They have to demonize her to justify their own anger and actions.

That is what few really want to see.

AB

The leaks are still coming, I wouldn't be so sure this is as bad as it gets.

and even without the leaks, her foreign policy and creation of power vacuums that are filled by terrorist which we treat as controlled opposition to "spread democracy" seems pretty evil on it's on. I have a hard time over looking that just because you haven't got a bomb shell that you find satisfying.

The email that discusses saudi's and Qatar funding ISIS while we turn a blind eye seems kinda important.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
As bad as Hillary Clinton is, the right wing did themselves no favours by turning her into a caricature...

I mean Alex Jones is calling her a Demoniac and Trump called her "the Devil" during the debate...

& for a lot of people, that's hard to take seriously.
Even if she is a demon devil.

Is she really that "bad"? or is it a broken system where normal operating procedures are obviously conflicts of interest???


I'm cool with burning it all down, but can trump be trusted to rebuild it???

a reply to: AboveBoard

She's a woman who pissed of the "establishment" of Old Men Who Rule because *gasp* she didn't just bake cookies and encourage kids to read as First Lady.

She has establishment Republican MEN backing her, getting in line to kiss her establishment ass.

a reply to: AboveBoard

I would say more of a corporate hack who has gotten pretty good at playing a broken game....

Which is neither demon possessed nor the dirtiest politician ever...


She is the embodiment of the establishment... status quo.... which beats the hell out of a selfish moron..

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: AboveBoard

She's a woman who pissed of the "establishment" of Old Men Who Rule because *gasp* she didn't just bake cookies and encourage kids to read as First Lady.

She has establishment Republican MEN backing her, getting in line to kiss her establishment ass.

Hopefully they ask first and tic tacs aren't involved.

originally posted by: mahatche
The leaks are still coming, I wouldn't be so sure this is as bad as it gets.

and even without the leaks, her foreign policy and creation of power vacuums that are filled by terrorist which we treat as controlled opposition to "spread democracy" seems pretty evil on it's on. I have a hard time over looking that just because you haven't got a bomb shell that you find satisfying.

The email that discusses saudi's and Qatar funding ISIS while we turn a blind eye seems kinda important.

FAILED is fair...


Evil is silly.

All legit points though.

The thing about the saudis and cutter is, have any other politicians went after the Saudis???


The birth place of Wahhabism and Islamic terror?!?!

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: AboveBoard

She's a woman who pissed of the "establishment" of Old Men Who Rule because *gasp* she didn't just bake cookies and encourage kids to read as First Lady.

She has establishment Republican MEN backing her, getting in line to kiss her establishment ass.

Hopefully they ask first and tic tacs aren't involved.

BWHAHHAH

originally posted by: mahatche
The leaks are still coming, I wouldn't be so sure this is as bad as it gets.

and even without the leaks, her foreign policy and creation of power vacuums that are filled by terrorist which we treat as controlled opposition to "spread democracy" seems pretty evil on it's on. I have a hard time over looking that just because you haven't got a bomb shell that you find satisfying.

The email that discusses saudi's and Qatar funding ISIS while we turn a blind eye seems kinda important.

If trump had # up and ONLY said " then why haven't you done it in 30 years, Hillary." Every time he opened his mouth he would be president in a month

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I would completely agree.

I mean Reagan sold sadam arms and he sold weapons to Iran to get hostages back and he became the corner stone for republicans. Its only fair the dems have their own version.

Thanks for "Correcting The Record."

a reply to: butcherguy

NOW she has Republican support. Did she during all those "hearings?" Did she when she announced? Did she when she was First Lady?

She has some R support this election only because Trump has become too toxic for them.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: mahatche
The leaks are still coming, I wouldn't be so sure this is as bad as it gets.

and even without the leaks, her foreign policy and creation of power vacuums that are filled by terrorist which we treat as controlled opposition to "spread democracy" seems pretty evil on it's on. I have a hard time over looking that just because you haven't got a bomb shell that you find satisfying.

The email that discusses saudi's and Qatar funding ISIS while we turn a blind eye seems kinda important.

FAILED is fair...


Evil is silly.

All legit points though.

The thing about the saudis and cutter is, have any other politicians went after the Saudis???


The birth place of Wahhabism and Islamic terror?!?!

It is a failure, but also morally wrong. If anything could be considered evil, I think this kind of global manipulation and warfare is a good candidate for the use of the word.

We are allowing religious extremism to ferment within power vacuums; their fight is spreading globally, and radicalizing people around the world so that we could "spread democracy". If the locals wanted our democracy, why did our program to fund, train, and arm fighters end with only 5 recruits and a loss of billions of dollars? Why does everything we give "moderate rebels" end up in ISIS hands? Why are we turning a blind eye to our "allies" funding ISIS, while at the same time pitching ideas, about middle eastern coalitions that include these "allies". if we know they are funding ISIS why would we include them in anything?

When I say evil I don't mean demonic horns and wings, it means being morally corrupt. As far as worldly evils go, It's hard to find something more corrupt than a profiteering warmonger, who lies countless people into death..

I have no idea why our politicians won't condone Saudi Arabia, I wish they would, but others failures to do so doesn't make her any less wrong.

originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: mahatche
The leaks are still coming, I wouldn't be so sure this is as bad as it gets.

and even without the leaks, her foreign policy and creation of power vacuums that are filled by terrorist which we treat as controlled opposition to "spread democracy" seems pretty evil on it's on. I have a hard time over looking that just because you haven't got a bomb shell that you find satisfying.

The email that discusses saudi's and Qatar funding ISIS while we turn a blind eye seems kinda important.

FAILED is fair...


Evil is silly.

All legit points though.

The thing about the saudis and cutter is, have any other politicians went after the Saudis???


The birth place of Wahhabism and Islamic terror?!?!

It is a failure, but also morally wrong. If anything could be considered evil, I think this kind of global manipulation and warfare is a good candidate for the use of the word.

We are allowing religious extremism to ferment within power vacuums; their fight is spreading globally, and radicalizing people around the world so that we could "spread democracy". If the locals wanted our democracy, why did our program to fund, train, and arm fighters end with only 5 recruits and a loss of billions of dollars? Why does everything we give "moderate rebels" end up in ISIS hands? Why are we turning a blind eye to our "allies" funding ISIS, while at the same time pitching ideas, about middle eastern coalitions that include these "allies". if we know they are funding ISIS why would we include them in anything?

When I say evil I don't mean demonic horns and wings, it means being morally corrupt. As far as worldly evils go, It's hard to find something more corrupt than a profiteering warmonger, who lies countless people into death..

I have no idea why our politicians won't condone Saudi Arabia, I wish they would, but others failures to do so doesn't make her any less wrong.

But evil implies intentional and no one intends to screw up.


I actually buy that out ME issues are due to keeping the US dollar the oil standard. Which makes the dollar the world standard.
Is it worth a couple wars to ensure your currency remains the global standard?? I have no idea.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

But evil implies intentional and no one intends to screw up.


I actually buy that out ME issues are due to keeping the US dollar the oil standard. Which makes the dollar the world standard.
Is it worth a couple wars to ensure your currency remains the global standard?? I have no idea.

What if we intended to destabilize the region? What if it's not a screw up and all this is exactly as planned? ISIS looks alot like controlled opposition, which would be intentional.

Killing people for money and contracts fits into my definition of morally corrupt.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Going into this election I didn't doubt many of the Clinton conspiracy theory's were true. I have no respect for our politicians.

I tend to think that all politicians are dirty, and the clintons have been politicians for longer than most.

However, after looking into all the scandals that have been reported. I have come to the conclusion that it's not the clintons that are dirty They are no worse than the rest....it's the system that's broken....

The reason there is never any wrong doing found, when these scandals are investigated by the FBI and GOP led congressional committees (the same republicans pushing the scandal in the first place). Is because it is all normal operating procedures for our politicians, made legal by different politicians generations ago...


Exhibit A: the DNC Email leak.

Those emails were private. They were never meant to be public records. So hypothetically the authors had no real reason to lie or obfuscate. If they (the dems) were all rife with corruption the emails should show it. They should be the smoking gun of all smoking guns. No different than if y'all saw my text log...you instantly know most of my secrets....but there was no smoking gun...hell they can't even quote the parts that prove "pay for play" and the DNC rigging the convention, because there is no email that says that...AND THEY WERE PRIVATE, THERE SHOULD!!!


The worst one they can point to is :

"Has Bernie admitted he is an atheist, think he has dodged it and said he is of Jewish heritage..."

Which was a question no one ever even asked Sanders!!


Exhibit B: Juanita Broderick..including her with your 2 "accusers" was stupid when the other two have a legit varifiable case.

I didn't know the story of the rape allegations before the election, but they are the most thin BS you have ever heard. She has no proof of ever having a public or private conversation with the clintons. Didn't accuse him till decades later and has told 2 different republican investigators it didn't happen...

The GOP is using the excuse of "well they falsely accuse us too" BS then point to Clarence Tomas and other allegations that were never proven..


The GOP had it right that it was ridiculous to "always assume the accuser is telling the truth." It's a logical fallacy. You have to actually investigate criminal actions befor throwing around public accusations..obviously.


The GOP flip flops have proven exactly how principled they are. Exactly how much they care about "high Christian values"...

How do they go back to being the "moral " party after this???lol

How did they let a life long democrat destroy the gop?!?!

I think this is right. It's not the Clintons themselves, it's that the system is corrupt and most high level politicians at this point are bought out or compromised. These issues wayyyyy predate the Clintons.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Going into this election I didn't doubt many of the Clinton conspiracy theory's were true. I have no respect for our politicians.

I tend to think that all politicians are dirty, and the clintons have been politicians for longer than most.

However, after looking into all the scandals that have been reported. I have come to the conclusion that it's not the clintons that are dirty They are no worse than the rest....it's the system that's broken....

The reason there is never any wrong doing found, when these scandals are investigated by the FBI and GOP led congressional committees (the same republicans pushing the scandal in the first place). Is because it is all normal operating procedures for our politicians, made legal by different politicians generations ago...


Exhibit A: the DNC Email leak.

Those emails were private. They were never meant to be public records. So hypothetically the authors had no real reason to lie or obfuscate. If they (the dems) were all rife with corruption the emails should show it. They should be the smoking gun of all smoking guns. No different than if y'all saw my text log...you instantly know most of my secrets....but there was no smoking gun...hell they can't even quote the parts that prove "pay for play" and the DNC rigging the convention, because there is no email that says that...AND THEY WERE PRIVATE, THERE SHOULD!!!


The worst one they can point to is :

"Has Bernie admitted he is an atheist, think he has dodged it and said he is of Jewish heritage..."

Which was a question no one ever even asked Sanders!!


Exhibit B: Juanita Broderick..including her with your 2 "accusers" was stupid when the other two have a legit varifiable case.

I didn't know the story of the rape allegations before the election, but they are the most thin BS you have ever heard. She has no proof of ever having a public or private conversation with the clintons. Didn't accuse him till decades later and has told 2 different republican investigators it didn't happen...

The GOP is using the excuse of "well they falsely accuse us too" BS then point to Clarence Tomas and other allegations that were never proven..


The GOP had it right that it was ridiculous to "always assume the accuser is telling the truth." It's a logical fallacy. You have to actually investigate criminal actions befor throwing around public accusations..obviously.


The GOP flip flops have proven exactly how principled they are. Exactly how much they care about "high Christian values"...

How do they go back to being the "moral " party after this???lol

How did they let a life long democrat destroy the gop?!?!

I think this is right. It's not the Clintons themselves, it's that the system is corrupt and most high level politicians at this point are bought out or compromised. These issues wayyyyy predate the Clintons.

That's why they never get charged and convicted...


The GOP crowd swears treason has been commited, then find no wrong doing, but they never admit it was BS.

I think that is 100% responsible for trump.


The base actually believed them!! So when no one goes to jail, they don't stop to question the whole scandal. They decide that everyone is lying and they can't trust ANYONE. Which is where trump came from..

He rammed all that mistrust right down their throats.