How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky

a reply to: Sremmos80

Good then, point taken!

a reply to: Encryptor

Exactly, want to say you are calling a duck a duck but won't point out how you are doing it.

Just like the OP, rambles on about how Snopes is wrong but can't/won't show it.

At least he tried, seems he just misread his source.

originally posted by: Encryptor
a reply to: Sremmos80

See whatever you want to see. I see deception, and government interaction. Like Facebook, gov op. Data mining etc. Why? who the hell knows right?

Well maybe you'd like to deny some ignorance and post the book, article, or memo that Alinksy outlined these supposed 8 points then. Seeing as how Snopes is full of # and all, according to you.

Well I took the liberty of alerting the mods to this steaming pile of an OP.

Maybe you should refresh your memory on the T&C's of the site.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
Recall that Hillary Clinton did her college thesis on his writings and Barack Hussein Obama writes about him in his books.
How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.
The first is the most important.
1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Now, think...
Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?

Without any references to check it's not possible to take your post seriously. I don't know Saul Alinsky, teach me, nor do I 'know' that Ms. Clinton wrote her thesis on him or what she had to say, nor do I know the same about President Obama's writings.

Please don't present 'something you heard somewhere' as fact without verifiable sources and references. In this case the sources need to be to original material not the cherry picked ramble of idealogs. Thank you.

Here it is laid out nicely.



Enjoy!

a reply to: burgerbuddy

How did Saul Alinsky have access to Youtube in the 20's or 30's to write these 8 rules? Oh wait, that isn't a source for Saul Alinsky either. Just another tertiary source pretending to reword Saul's words so it can appeal to right wing people who's minds have already been made up about this topic.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burgerbuddy

How did Saul Alinsky have access to Youtube in the 20's or 30's to write these 8 rules? Oh wait, that isn't a source for Saul Alinsky either. Just another tertiary source pretending to reword Saul's words so it can appeal to right wing people who's minds have already been made up about this topic.

So how do you know exactly what is true or not?

Watch the vid anyway.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burgerbuddy

How did Saul Alinsky have access to Youtube in the 20's or 30's to write these 8 rules? Oh wait, that isn't a source for Saul Alinsky either. Just another tertiary source pretending to reword Saul's words so it can appeal to right wing people who's minds have already been made up about this topic.

So how do you know exactly what is true or not?

Watch the vid anyway.

Why should I? Because you want me to? Hell no. The only source I'm going to look at is one that actually shows that Saul said what the OP is attributing to him. Since I cannot get a primary source on the internet, I want a really good secondary source (a reprinting of Saul Alinsky's words). Tertiary sources, like your YouTube video, are all bunk.

I mean, without Alinsky's words to compare to, how do YOU know that the video is telling the truth? Because the guy talking to you sounds credible? Though I will say that that video has nothing to do with the points brought up in the OP. That video is talking about Alinksy's 12 Rules for Radicals.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Informative Video

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burgerbuddy

How did Saul Alinsky have access to Youtube in the 20's or 30's to write these 8 rules? Oh wait, that isn't a source for Saul Alinsky either. Just another tertiary source pretending to reword Saul's words so it can appeal to right wing people who's minds have already been made up about this topic.

So how do you know exactly what is true or not?

Watch the vid anyway.

Why should I? Because you want me to? Hell no. The only source I'm going to look at is one that actually shows that Saul said what the OP is attributing to him. Since I cannot get a primary source on the internet, I want a really good secondary source (a reprinting of Saul Alinsky's words). Tertiary sources, like your YouTube video, are all bunk.

I mean, without Alinsky's words to compare to, how do YOU know that the video is telling the truth? Because the guy talking to you sounds credible? Though I will say that that video has nothing to do with the points brought up in the OP. That video is talking about Alinksy's 12 Rules for Radicals.

Of course you don't have to do anything I ask but there are other people that don't know a lot about what Alinsky stands for or his way of winning and marginalizing opponents and swaying opinions.

Doesn't take much study to see how the left has been following his script.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Doesn't take much study to see how the left has been following his script.

Says the guy posting in a thread where the OP was proven wrong. If you are going to push your right wing narrative that the Left is overrun by whatever your strawman is claiming, it helps to actually push it in a thread that wasn't debunked on page 1.

dbl post

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Doesn't take much study to see how the left has been following his script.

wasn't debunked

Snopes debunks nothing regarding this. I'm not trusting a Left Wing Liberal propaganda website for crap.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Doesn't take much study to see how the left has been following his script.

wasn't debunked

Snopes debunks nothing regarding this. I'm not trusting a Left Wing Liberal propaganda website for crap.

Alinsky died in the 70's and somehow this "quote" cannot be traced to before 2013 or any of his work.

Take this like a man and admit you posted an old, fake internet hoax.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Doesn't take much study to see how the left has been following his script.

wasn't debunked

Snopes debunks nothing regarding this. I'm not trusting a Left Wing Liberal propaganda website for crap.

Your own source said it wasn't his....

LOL

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Doesn't take much study to see how the left has been following his script.

wasn't debunked

Snopes debunks nothing regarding this. I'm not trusting a Left Wing Liberal propaganda website for crap.

if you prefer your right wing lies stick to stormfront.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Lol indeed. You ignored every piece of criticism and just kept talking about Snopes while ironically proving it right when you linked the source that said these eight points were no Aliskenys but the C&P strategy.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
Recall that Hillary Clinton did her college thesis on his writings and Barack Hussein Obama writes about him in his books.
How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.
The first is the most important.
1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Now, think...
Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?

Without any references to check it's not possible to take your post seriously. I don't know Saul Alinsky, teach me, nor do I 'know' that Ms. Clinton wrote her thesis on him or what she had to say, nor do I know the same about President Obama's writings.

Please don't present 'something you heard somewhere' as fact without verifiable sources and references. In this case the sources need to be to original material not the cherry picked ramble of idealogs. Thank you.

Here it is laid out nicely.

Enjoy!

Thank you for sharing this video. He does take a hour to cover the 13 rules of Alinsky and provides modern day examples of snippets to provide understand the philosophy behind it. True, he is obviously right minded but openly admits that the right wing trolls have begun to use these same rules against the left too.

All and all, I will probably save and watch this again. It does open your eyes about needing to understand actual issues better, rather than being drawn into instant emotional triggered responses.