How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky

Recall that Hillary Clinton did her college thesis on his writings and Barack Hussein Obama writes about him in his books.
How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.
The first is the most important.
1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Now, think...
Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?

a reply to: Bloodydagger

We have been seeing the Alinsky Model at work for some time now - I think Obama's administration has demonstrated this quite well.

ObamaCare being a prime example - privatization of healthcare... look how great that's been working out

Thanks for sharing this important topic.. people need to wake TF up

I have been saying this for years. Most people didn't believe me and called me uninformed. You are so right and everything Obama/Clinton has done in the last eight years reflect Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals".

Nice post. I had just heard about this guy 3 days ago. It is interesting how everyone pays attention to the top players in government, but it seems many of the true "elites" are people like this guy who you never hear about that pull some strings and set policies and agendas.

Deny some ignorance...
How to Create a Social State

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Critics of President Barack Obama (who also worked as a community organizer in Chicago prior to embarking on his political career) have often linked his name with that of Saul Alinsky, sometimes in ways that suggest the two men knew each other and worked together. However, they never even met: Alinsky died of a heart attack in 1972, when Barack Obama was but a ten-year-old child living in Hawaii. Another prominent Democrat, Hillary Clinton, has also often been linked with Alinsky because she wrote her senior thesis on the topic of "An Analysis of the Alinsky Model" while she was a student at Wellesley College in 1969.

The above-quoted list of steps for "How to create a social state" is another example of a political attempt to tie the names of Saul Alinsky with those of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. But the list is not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, nor does it even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve). This list is simply a modern variant of the decades-old, apocryphal Communist Rules for Revolution piece that was originally passed along without attribution until Alinsky's name became attached to it (presumably because someone out there thought it sounded like something Alinsky might have written).

The closest analog (in form, if not in content) to the above-reproduced list of "How to create a social state" to be found in the writings of Saul Alinsky is the following list of "power tactics" Alinsky outlined in his 1971 book Rules for Radicals. Note that Alinsky's list is devoted solely to tactics (i.e., methods for accomplishing goals) and does not specify any particular targets of those tactics (e.g., health care, religion, gun control):

At first I was going to ask for a source for this list, but now I'm glad I didn't. Clearly it wouldn't have ever been provided.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

You seem to have forgotten to provide a link to where Alinsky wrote these points.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

But the 8 points is clearly where America is headed and is at now.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: Krazysh0t

But the 8 points is clearly where America is headed and is at now.

I don't care. You made those points up and they have nothing to do with Saul Alinsky.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: Krazysh0t

But the 8 points is clearly where America is headed and is at now.

I don't care. You made those points up and they have nothing to do with Saul Alinsky.

I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: Krazysh0t

But the 8 points is clearly where America is headed and is at now.

I don't care. You made those points up and they have nothing to do with Saul Alinsky.

I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.

You SHOULD care. After all, it is YOUR OP that is attributing those points to him.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
a reply to: Krazysh0t

But the 8 points is clearly where America is headed and is at now.

I don't care. You made those points up and they have nothing to do with Saul Alinsky.

I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.

You SHOULD care. After all, it is YOUR OP that is attributing those points to him.

Do you agree that those 8 points are where America is right now? The post is more about the 8 points then who actually said them. Because those 8 points ring true.

a reply to: Bloodydagger
Then I suggest you edit your OP, because this OP is a lie. Hell you don't even have a source for those points

PS: No those points are merely just right wing propaganda

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Bloodydagger


PS: No those points are merely just right wing propaganda

Care to elaborate? Why do most Americans feel like those points are actually happening then?

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Excellent Op! Everything you said was bang on except for number 7. They're sneaking in other 'religions' to the classroom, renaming it as 'history'.

And cite Snopes all you wish to debunk this in my OP, but its a biased Left Leaning Liberal website

More: blog.skepticallibertarian.com...

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Snopes from what i know is gov't run.

This list is simply a modern variant of the decades-old, apocryphal Communist Rules for Revolution piece that was originally passed along without attribution until Alinsky's name became attached to it (presumably because someone out there thought it sounded like something Alinsky might have written).

So this list is a list for Communist Rules for Revolution? To be honest, that sounds even worse than the idea of a social state! If that is the case, Americans best wake up out of their slumber for this list shows that our freedoms may soon be lost!

originally posted by: Bloodydagger


I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.

Oh you do not care?

Well I bloody do.

You made the point, and the point is false. To argue about the error, rather than admitting it and changing the title of this thread to reflect the truth, merely suggests to the reader that your motivations are less than honest, and if you do not care about that, then you are exactly as rotten as the elite scumbags who trade in lies and deceit to prove non-points to the witless masses who vote for them.

Great job

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Bloodydagger


PS: No those points are merely just right wing propaganda

Care to elaborate? Why do most Americans feel like those points are actually happening then?

How do you gauge that most Americans feel this way?

Because you read it on a website that said so?

Love that you don't care that your title is a flat out lie btw. You are learning well from the website that you got this from.

originally posted by: TrueBrit

originally posted by: Bloodydagger


I made them up? lol, okay.

And I don't care if he said them or not. Its where America is right now. Those 8 points are valid whether he or Mickey Mouse said them.

Oh you do not care?

Well I bloody do.

You made the point, and the point is false. To argue about the error, rather than admitting it and changing the title of this thread to reflect the truth, merely suggests to the reader that your motivations are less than honest, and if you do not care about that, then you are exactly as rotten as the elite scumbags who trade in lies and deceit to prove non-points to the witless masses who vote for them.

Great job

Yeah, and I guess you conveniently skipped over my reply of how Snopes is a Left Leaning Liberal website. Yeah, I'm going to believe that source when it comes to ANYTHING regarding politics.