Muslims Just Took the Bait Trump Gave Them at The Debate !

I dont know how to say it any other way. I am ashamed my words fail me and I cant explain so that you can understand.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And last time I checked, I don't remember your communities happily snitching on organized crime groups, cartel affiliates, street gangs, smuggling rings, drug rings, pedophile rings, secret societies, or any other documented groups that openly corrupt your own towns. Can it possibly be because you fear for your lives, knowing that law enforcement can't or won't protect you from any repercussions? Or is it because many of you have a hand in these things and point the finger at "others" to deflect any suspicion that should rightfully be aimed at you?)

True words.

I think its good to report any obvious issues going on, but suggesting muslims need to pay extra attention in America...naa, I would say poor communities should pay more attention to issues going on in their commmunities as there is way, way more gangland activity going on than terrorism from radical islamic factions in the US.

I am far more likely to have issues with drug sales than some religious wackjob regardless of religion (except for those jerks who knock on my door early sunday morning..pretty sure that should be classified as terrorism)

I agree. Though I'd say all communities would need to do that, not just poor communities. Because the cartels, gangs, and organized crimes rings make far more money in middle class and wealthier neighborhoods then in poor neighborhoods.

Meh. I live in a sort of off the beaten track countrified suburb. the most illegal thing that goes on in these parts is perhaps some fishing without a license and maybe the odd DUI..not really uber gangster here.
the money being made from the middle class is not done in these neighborhoods, its done in clubs and such, and in the poor parts of town.

You can say to target only poor neighborhoods is perhaps profiling, but it isn't. anyone can be poor (some meth headquarters trailer park is just as troubling as some block housing hood.) No need to waste resources scoping out the 55+ community and engineers streets..

Crime often happens when people become desperate. Sometimes its to try and get out of the rathole, sometimes its done to forget you are in the rathole. People with stuff to lose rarely go full breaking bad.

In saying that, there are almost always cops going up and down my street at least once a day, often more. to date, I think their biggest victory is odd speeding tickets. I think they choose to do this because its a bit like goofing off. Why patrol troubled areas and have to deal with crime and paperwork when you can take lazy drives up canal backroads and get waves and smiles from people.

a reply to: soulwaxer

Well, if we are going to start, in the UK in the '70's, '80's and early '90's, terrorist attacks were almost exclusively carried out by white males who called themselves Christians. Does that mean all Christians (or Irish people come to that) are terrorists?

As usual this thread has descended to your polarising of one group of people, what Trump should have said if he anything presidential about him is if anyone of any creed colour etc. saw something that gave them reason to believe there is something suspicious happening then they should call it out. See, that's not hard, is it? In fact the American government (like governments of most western countries at least) do this now. Do you not see the point, or are you just more comfortable ignoring it?

At the end of the day we all should start accepting that we are all different and come from different places and cultures but thats a great thing meeting people and learning from them and once you have you understand we are all the same and we all want the same things, to live to love to learn and to be happy and bring up our kids in a safe place.
So come on now all together now .





Don't you feel better now .

I legitmatly don't get all this hate for muslims, there people just you or i, they just happen to pray a little different and to a "different" god. Yeah some of them are scumbags but 99.9999999998 % are good people I would like to mention you could make that same breakdown for every race, religion, or other demographic.

I have had the pleasure and displeasure of meeting some people of the Muslim faith, I will tell you one thing the faith had nothing to do with if I liked them or not but there actions as human beings sure did.

As for the OP, don't you think it is a little racist to make these comments just to the Muslim community? There are just as many white, black and other various hate/separatist groups likely to facilitate the next home grown terrorist attack.

a reply to: enlightenedservant
Was going to post but you summed everything up perfectly. Thanks for being a voice of reason in the midst of Trump sponsored xenophobic fear. The day people actually believe it's a good thing to watch everyone around them closely and report them to the government, the terrorists have won.

Some of you guys aren't reading this entire thread I can tell by your comments, you have missed critical clarifications

Also
Weed=Marijuana
I have to laugh at the poster that thought the redneck was going to use fertilizer to kill "weed"

a reply to: SaturnFX

I guess that depends on which crimes you're looking into. Theft, fraud, prostitution, and virtually all things dealing with illegal drugs (and illegal moonshining) are also crimes, and they appear everywhere.

Criminals will make far more money from theft in middle class neighborhoods than in poor neighborhoods, which have fewer resources by definition. Financial criminals will make far more money swindling or skimming from accounts owned by middle class and wealthy people than from poor people, who by definition have fewer resources to steal. And prostitutes/escorts will make far more money from wealthy clients than from poor clients. etc etc etc.

Ok, I don't want to drift off topic. So I'll just point out that profiling for crimes of any kind is wrong simply because people from all demographics commit those crimes. If we were to be honest and really "non-PC", the only profiling that would actually make sense would be to profile males in general. Because the vast majority of criminals (especially violent criminals) are males. And that's regardless of our ethnicity, religion, income level, or country of origin. But for some reason, I doubt that people are willing to do that either. They just seem to want to profile people who are different from themselves.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Some of you guys aren't reading this entire thread I can tell by your comments, you have missed critical clarifications

Also
Weed=Marijuana
I have to laugh at the poster that thought the redneck was going to use fertilizer to kill "weed"

I wasn't going to assume you meant all white farmers are growing marijuana on their private land, but if it's able to be used as part of an explosive device then the assumption would have to be that it can also be used to raze the ground. Nice that rednecks (your word) deal in drugs, but would you report that hypothetical scenario you laid out?

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: enlightenedservant
Was going to post but you summed everything up perfectly. Thanks for being a voice of reason in the midst of Trump sponsored xenophobic fear. The day people actually believe it's a good thing to watch everyone around them closely and report them to the government, the terrorists have won.

Thanks. Most times I just ignore these threads. But I'm actually in a good mood today .

(Yeah, this is me in a good mood lol. When I get angry about this stuff, I just ignore it and keep pushing further w/my personal goals. But when I'm in a good mood, I don't mind going into details about it. Sometimes.)

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: SaturnFX

I guess that depends on which crimes you're looking into. Theft, fraud, prostitution, and virtually all things dealing with illegal drugs (and illegal moonshining) are also crimes, and they appear everywhere.

Criminals will make far more money from theft in middle class neighborhoods than in poor neighborhoods, which have fewer resources by definition. Financial criminals will make far more money swindling or skimming from accounts owned by middle class and wealthy people than from poor people, who by definition have fewer resources to steal. And prostitutes/escorts will make far more money from wealthy clients than from poor clients. etc etc etc.

Yeah, but you dont need beat cops to patrol banks, thats what investigators do. the more active violent crimes are in the hood. everyone knows this. I think as much as it sucks, we need more cameras on public streets with active monitoring of potential crime zones...also more cameras on streets will keep dirty cops in line.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Hey...question...

In which states can one go out and purchase a fully automatic firearm off the shelf? And in what dream world would what one person has under his bed, be anything that his neighbour would automatically know?

See, I was lead to believe that it is VERY difficult to legally purchase a fully automatic firearm, and I was also under the impression that unless someone has a very nosey neighbour, they have some basic privacy, which sort of makes it unlikely as hell that someone living next door to someone who is planning anything nefarious would have any idea about it.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: SaturnFX

I guess that depends on which crimes you're looking into. Theft, fraud, prostitution, and virtually all things dealing with illegal drugs (and illegal moonshining) are also crimes, and they appear everywhere.

Criminals will make far more money from theft in middle class neighborhoods than in poor neighborhoods, which have fewer resources by definition. Financial criminals will make far more money swindling or skimming from accounts owned by middle class and wealthy people than from poor people, who by definition have fewer resources to steal. And prostitutes/escorts will make far more money from wealthy clients than from poor clients. etc etc etc.

Yeah, but you dont need beat cops to patrol banks, thats what investigators do. the more active violent crimes are in the hood. everyone knows this. I think as much as it sucks, we need more cameras on public streets with active monitoring of potential crime zones...also more cameras on streets will keep dirty cops in line.

So you're not classifying child abuse, domestic violence, school shootings, armed robberies, serial killers, or murder suicides as "violent crimes"? Because that stuff happens everywhere.

I think you're referring to gang related violence, which definitely sucks. But it's also a complicated problem that also already has a lot of programs and resources dedicated to it. But no program is going to stop that violence until the atmosphere between law enforcement and the communities improves. some people take thing into their own hands when they can't trust law enforcement to give them justice. And others take things in their own hands when they see that some of the law enforcement in the areas are corrupt and working with the criminal elements.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying any of it. Just saying that law enforcement will have to actually flush out their crooked members and quit giving criminals refuge as "informants" in order for communities to gain any trust in them. The police shootings don't help either, but they're not really the biggest part of the problem; they're just the most publicized part of the problem.

originally posted by: crimsongod21
I legitmatly don't get all this hate for muslims, there people just you or i, they just happen to pray a little different and to a "different" god. Yeah some of them are scumbags but 99.9999999998 % are good people I would like to mention you could make that same breakdown for every race, religion, or other demographic.

I have had the pleasure and displeasure of meeting some people of the Muslim faith, I will tell you one thing the faith had nothing to do with if I liked them or not but there actions as human beings sure did.

As for the OP, don't you think it is a little racist to make these comments just to the Muslim community? There are just as many white, black and other various hate/separatist groups likely to facilitate the next home grown terrorist attack.

Do you believe in Allah and the prophet Mohammed?

If you just said no, a huge amount of Muslims believe that you should be executed. It's not even close to a small minority. It's the overwhelming majority in huge Islamic countries.

The better question is why don't you have a problem with that?

Because if you do have a problem with that, you have a problem with around 50% of Muslims. Doesn't that make you intolerant and racist?



Imagine that, you're an undercover racist trying to play the left wing morality card LOL

a reply to: RedDragon

Sorry to disappoint you but people can hate me and want me dead for whatever reason they want, doesn't mean I have to hate a whole subsection of the human race. When and if they ever try and kill me I will defend my self as I see fit.

Like I said I have met a few muslims, lived with a couple and I'm still here breathing. I think the problem lies in the fact that you think most muslims want us western white devils dead and while some do, I would say a vast majority just want to live there life the same as you or i do.

I even had the father of a woman I dated (first generation iranian imagrant) tell me he wanted to cut off my balls....I still don't hate muslims not a big fan of him but he is not a representation of all Muslims any more than Fred Phelps was a reprisintatuon of all Christians or white people.

a reply to: crimsongod21

Why do people like yourself keep arguing Islam is a race?

How many times does it have to be pointed out being Muslim has nothing to do with your race. It's an ideology. Anyone can join.

If anything, your suggestion it has something to do with race is a racist viewpoint. Wonder what the Chinese and Russian Muslims would think of your racist suggestion. They're not real Muslims because they don't have the same skin color as those from the Middle East???

a reply to: MysticPearl

When did I say it was a race? My college roommate was a white, Kansas born and raised Muslim. So I have seen it first hand middle eastern and white American muslims. If I gave off the notion that it is a race and not a religion I do apologize. Now when we are talking about islomophobia what most people are is actually racist, as they see any middle eastern as a Muslim regardless of religion.

a reply to: RedDragon

They don't around here dude.

a reply to: crimsongod21

Just ignore him. He's making a cheap semantics argument because you used the word racist once in your post when you really meant bigoted and/or xenophobic. Anyone who actually cares about your message understood you completely though.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
Thank you for pointing that out to me, some how I missed that but I stand by my assertion that most islamaphobic people are also racists. When you talk about muslims they only think of middle eastern people.

When the see some on of middle eastern decent they assume they are Muslim and not any other religion under the sun, they assume that all Muslims (read middle easterners) are terrorist.

So like it or not it is a race thing, I just wanted to clear up that not all Muslims are brown or black. And not all middle easterners are Muslim I guess i should have been more clear though. I opened myself up to that one...