A Closer Look At Jill Stein

Well all this chaos and disappointment with leading candidates have forced me to look more closely to other options….again. So I googled Jill Steins positions on things and while I don't agree with it all, the majority of it I do.
I do fear a vote for her may help one of the other candidates, but in good conscious, personally, I have to reexamine options.

My intention is for this to be informative and I am curious what folks think of her here, and what positions makes her worse than our two current leading choices. I will probably remain sidelined and not add much personal perspective to discussion, but I do want to learn. I feel we have members here better versed in politics to chime in, and I hope to be able to further weigh all this out.

Jill Stein Political Positions

a reply to: waftist

As appealing as you find jill stein, Voting for any green party in any country is a no go. they say a lot of things but they all want to tax your wages into oblivion so they can plant more trees and want you to cycle a 60 mile round trip every day to work.

Unless you're a free spirit hippy that lives in a treehouse the green party isnt for you...

She spray painted private property like a gang banger. She is a waste of time.

First reply and we begin with the ignorance and generalizations.

At least I got this one in before someone brings up Wifi and vaccines.

originally posted by: Orionx2
She spray painted private property like a gang banger. She is a waste of time.

Spray painted a bulldozer in protest of a pipeline she stands against; while it's a crime, you're the kind of person who loves free speech but villianizes those he disagrees with.

Gangbanger though? Really? Has tv melted your brain that badly?

originally posted by: ColaTesla
a reply to: waftist

As appealing as you find jill stein, Voting for any green party in any country is a no go. they say a lot of things but they all want to tax your wages into oblivion so they can plant more trees and want you to cycle a 60 mile round trip every day to work.

Unless you're a free spirit hippy that lives in a treehouse the green party isnt for you...

Sounds like a straw man there.

originally posted by: waftist
Well all this chaos and disappointment with leading candidates have forced me to look more closely to other options….again. So I googled Jill Steins positions on things and while I don't agree with it all, the majority of it I do.
I do fear a vote for her may help one of the other candidates, but in good conscious, personally, I have to reexamine options.

My intention is for this to be informative and I am curious what folks think of her here, and what positions makes her worse than our two current leading choices. I will probably remain sidelined and not add much personal perspective to discussion, but I do want to learn. I feel we have members here better versed in politics to chime in, and I hope to be able to further weigh all this out.

Jill Stein Political Positions

She is the only candidate left that doesn't make me feel like vomiting.

Also, she is the only remaining candidate that represents a platform that addresses most of the serious problems we face: massive economic inequality due to elite friendly policies and big business coziness with the government, environmental sustainability, ending an imperial and downright evil foreign policy, putting in place education and health access policies that provide all citizens with real opportunity, etc. None of the other candidates come close after Sanders folded.

The issue is that the media, establishment, and two party system have almost complete control over the country.

a reply to: eNumbra

Just because you didnt like it doesnt make it ignorant, And the generalizations are accurate, The hole in the ozone layer is not a fiscal problem, Taxing people will not fix that hole, There isnt a green party on earth that gets this.

It's sad that in the United States your best option is to cast your vote, not FOR president, but in order to PREVENT someone from becoming president. It's like being given a choice between a punch in the teeth and a kick in the nuts. Which choice is likely to hurt less?

Really? Three hundred fifty million people and this is the absolute best we're capable of doing in this country?

a reply to: ColaTesla

I do love tree houses though...could it have a fire pole?

originally posted by: ColaTesla
a reply to: eNumbra

Just because you didnt like it doesnt make it ignorant, And the generalizations are accurate, The hole in the ozone layer is not a fiscal problem, Taxing people will not fix that hole, There isnt a green party on earth that gets this.

But proper regulations that price the actual impact of various business and economic policies WILL. That's what's called informed. Virtually all top economists agree.


Fact is, since the industrial revolution most industries have not been forced via regulations to actually pay or account for the true cost of doing business (environmental, social, etc). We now know what many of these impacts are. It IS conservative to make people be responsible for the true impact of their actions. Nothing "oppressive" about that.

originally posted by: ColaTesla
a reply to: eNumbra

Just because you didnt like it doesnt make it ignorant, And the generalizations are accurate,

"Tree hugging hippies" and "60 mile round trip cycling route"

No, totally not ignorant generalizations, clearly real, actual, factual statements and opinions held by every Green Party member of the world.

Cursing hippies is very Reagan of you though.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: ColaTesla
a reply to: eNumbra

Just because you didnt like it doesnt make it ignorant, And the generalizations are accurate,

"Tree hugging hippies" and "60 mile round trip cycling route"

No, totally not ignorant generalizations, clearly real, actual, factual statements and opinions held by every Green Party member of the world.

Cursing hippies is very Reagan of you though.

Sounds like a Fox News sound bite.

"Yeah why don't all of you take a shower and get a damn job!"

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Is that the same companies that donate 10 of millions of dollars so these exact regulations do not get put in place?

I agree with regulation is the answer, it is so simple to put in place, yet never happens, Instead you and I, get walloped with a "green tax' that fixes nothing.

a reply to: eNumbra

Tree hugging hippies" and "60 mile round trip cycling route

thats strange, i could've swore i wrote a few more sentences in that the post you took that from

But hey, lets conveniently forget those....

She is certainly not a terrible option by any means. I agree with a lot of her policies, though I think she's realistically a little too environmentally hardline for the US right now. That is to mean, we theoretically CAN do what she proposes, over time and with adjustments for incremental adoption of policies (not to mention social attitudes), just not all in one shot or quickly. However, I doubt she'd budge on much. Ergo, too hardline for me personally, but that's not enough for me to tell someone else to not bother.

a reply to: waftist

I am going to vote for Jill Stine and feel good about it. I was going to vote Gary Johnson but I found out he supported the TPPC trade agreement.

Anyway, anything would be better than a woman-hating rapist baby-killin' jersey boy billionaire or a dead zombie reptilian baby-killin' alien billionaire as the next President, yet these candidates seems ok with most people.

With the Republican party in shambles, it is time for a new political party to come forward. One that isn't completely regressive.

Democrats have become right/center, but the Green party is truly left/progressive.

a reply to: waftist

It appears to me that a genuine progressive voter would need to choose between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. I was most impressed by Jill Stein's appearances on television. I especially liked an appearance of hers on the FoxNews Channel (with Bret Baier) where her formidable clarity and precision nearly caused the heads of the panel to explode. There are several points with which I disagree strongly with Jill Stein, but unlike Hillary Clinton, Dr. Stein is principled and consistent. Unfortunately, her vice-presidential candidate raises too many flags for some, and her environmental views seem far too extreme in comparison to the current mindset of the general public in the USA.

Several of my friends in the States who were Sanders supporters are voting for and working for Gary Johnson. Apparently, they think he will carry New Mexico going into the Electoral College vote. And they see him as inflicting the most significant damage on Hillary Clinton. A couple I know who were on board with Sanders are voting for Trump as part of their #NeverHillary mindset.

originally posted by: ColaTesla
a reply to: eNumbra

Tree hugging hippies" and "60 mile round trip cycling route

thats strange, i could've swore i wrote a few more sentences in that the post you took that from

But hey, lets conveniently forget those....

I could have quoted your entire post back at you, but I figured you'd continue thinking you hadn't made any ignorant generalizations.

originally posted by: primespickle
With the Republican party in shambles, it is time for a new political party to come forward. One that isn't completely regressive.

Democrats have become right/center, but the Green party is truly left/progressive.

the green parties across europe only started winning seats when they adopted socialist ideals and pushed those policies, rather than a free tree for everyone.
last british election the greens were the only anti austerity party in england, which shows how far to the right labour had gone.

america's biggest problem is republicans pushing the myth that democrats are left wing, giving the illusion of a broad spectrum.
mussolini wasnt as far right as hitler, but it didn't make him liberal.