FREE SPEECH CRACKDOWN: Europe tells British press NOT to reveal if terrorists are Muslims

a reply to: artistpoet

Ok..not sure why you directed that particular statement at me, I never questioned the definition of terrorism or what constitutes a terrorist.

Can you explain?

originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: uncommitted

Good point
All the Muslim folk I know deplore such acts of violence as do my Christain, Jewish and Atheist friends

There is a minority of ill intended violent people in the world
Thay come in all shapes, sizes, colours and religions

Starred

a reply to: samerulesapply

Just clarifying that there are many of acts of terrorism
Which do not carry the label terrorist

Terrorism is the new catch word mostly aimed at Muslims
It should be applied to all acts that terrorise people

In fact, you know what...who even claimed that PeterSutcliffe wasn't a terrorist? He most certainly was.

People literally were living in fear back then, the killings were not only brutal but well publicised. People who lived hundreds of miles away from the epicentre - from all over the UK lived in fear of the ripper.

People come out with this sort of bluff all the time - yeeeah, how come nobody is saying that the zodiac was a terrorist? You're right, they're not saying that...they're not saying he wasn't, either. You know why?

Because that's a totally different discussion!

Diversionary tactics, bluff responses...defining 'terrorism' like that scores you some points when it doesn't.

The only thing you're right about is that yes, Peter Sutcliffe was a terror. Here's a very basic, laymans definition of terrorist:

Someone who creates a situation where people are living in terror

Let's take it for granted that, where there was a notorious mass-murderer, there was terror.

Glad we cleared that up. Now, about the islamists...

a reply to: samerulesapply

Carry on

Ok...so what should they be referred to as if not terrorists?

Here's what I think they should say on the news...

A religious nutter done something stupid again, today. Let's try and find ways we can blame it on politics, the region they live in, um...the west, ummm...uh, yeah.

Avoid the word 'religion' at all costs, because to finally be honest and admit what the root cause of many of our problems is, would mean for quite a lot of people to snap back to reality very quickly. This is akin to expecting a huge fat guy to tell the world to stop eating junk food. He ain't gonna do it, skinny guy has to.

a reply to: samerulesapply

I don't disagree

We are Human Beings ... We should look beyond national and religous divides

a reply to: artistpoet

I hear ya.

I suppose life really is/was like a box of chocolates, after all. There's plenty of caramel and fudge but the odd coffee creme.

a reply to: samerulesapply

Lol Yeah ... Does this mean coffee creams are terrorists ... joking of course

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: smurfy
There are loads of English rags that go out on a limb to cry 'muslim terror' before everything is properly known, and of course that is also used in turn to promote anti-immigration as-if. The same goes for some European rags, however English jingoism is always the undercurrent, well propagated by these right-wing rags.
Most English just want to get on with their lives, but there is always rent-a-mob around the corner.

When's the last time a newspaper in the UK blamed islamic terrorism and was wrong?

The Daily Mail, completely false story,
*
www.theguardian.com...
*Note the other strategically placed story about high UK wages just below the main article, to consolidate the invasion myth.
Picture file, files.abovetopsecret.com...

The Sun March 2016, completely false story,
www.presstv.com...

The Sun, 2015, columnist writer,
On 17 April 2015, The Sun's columnist Katie Hopkins called migrants to Britain "cockroaches" and "feral humans" and said they were "spreading like the norovirus". Her remarks were condemned by the United Nations High Commission for Human Rights. In a statement released on 24 April 2015, High Commissioner Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein stated that Hopkins' used "language very similar to that employed by Rwanda's Kangura newspaper and Radio Mille Collines during the run up to the 1994 genocide", and noted that both media organizations were subsequently convicted by an international tribunal of public incitement to commit genocide.

The Sun August 2016, false story without basis,
www.middleeasteye.net...
All recent!
See, the thing is they don't just do stories of the day, they make things up to try to create false images in people's minds to begin with.
They do the same things in just about every other topic as well...ask Liverpudlians why no one wants to sell The Sun.
These people have no bounds, quite evil really, and abuse freedom of the press priviledge.
But like I said, most English people, including myself, do see through all the guff.

originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I agree ...

Why are just Muslims highlighted by their religion
Why not Christian and other religions

I think you are missing the point here, entirely.

Islamic Terrorists are not "highlighted by their religion". They are highlighted by their apparent motivation to kill and maim.

It just so happens that Islamic Terrorists are motivated to kill, based on their interpretation of Islam...usually encouraged, aided and/or abetted by some organization (like ISIS or Al Qaeda) that represents itself as being some true representation of the teachings of Islam.

And, unfortunately at the moment, this is a phenomenon that this being expressed violently every day in dozens of Countries around the world.

If somebody leaves a video behind clearly stating that he is about to go out and kill people in the name of Islam...or if he screams that "Allah is Great" in Arabic as he is mowing people down with an AK47, or sawing off their heads, or blowing up a market ...then yeah, it should be noted as part of the press coverage of the event.

If a guy crashes his car and kills somebody because he was texting while driving (for example), nobody is going to write that he was a Muslim (or Christian or an Atheist) - because it would be irrelevant to the causation of the event.

It's all about the motivation, and the public's right to know what is really going on and why...

a reply to: mobiusmale

Until you look beyond religous and political divides there will be no peace

originally posted by: artistpoet
Peter Sutcliffe the notorious "Yorkshire Ripper" said God told him to murder and mutilate a string of females

Was he a "Christian Terrorist" ... or mentally ill

I suppose the difference is that in Peter Sutcliffe's case he chose to use god as his excuse when nobody who follows his religion actually justifies that, whereas in Islamic terrorism they use their religion with the blessing of the religion in general. (kill those infidels and such)

I know not all muslims accept this behaviour, and most muslims reject it but...

There is a very present and focused effort by certain branches of Islam that in fact not only blesses this behaviour but actually encourages it.

Call it a learning process, and we are all learning.

What Europe fails to understand is they wouldn't have to make such a request if Muslims didn't keep attacking people and blowing things up.

In general, all humans identify a threat as a means of survival. That's the animal kingdom at work. You identify threats off previous actions, then act accordingly. If lions kept attacking people, would you not identify lions as a threat? Would you hold back the information because it's profiling against the lion community?

Hell no.

You identify the threat, then avoid lions. BTW, if Muslims didn't consider other Muslims a grave threat, they wouldn't be running from Muslim countries in the Middle East. If Muslims didn't consider other Muslims a threat, many more Muslims countries would accept refugees yet almost none do. You didn't see Saudi Arabia or Iran or even a more western country like Israel accepting refugees. Why? They acknowledge and understand the threat. They must think Europe are fools.

Should have listened to Gaddafi who warned this would happen.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Here is an idea

How would we describe what is happening in the world if we dropped all labels and replaced them with the label Human ...

For example

I know not all muslims accept this behaviour, and most muslims reject it but... There is a very present and focused effort by certain branches of Islam that in fact not only blesses this behaviour but actually encourages it. Call it a learning process, and we are all learning.

I know not all Humans accept this behaviour, and most reject it but ... There is a very present and focused effort by certain branches of Humans that in fact not only blesses this behaviour but actually encourages it. Call it a learning process, and we are all learning

.........................................................................................................................................

This is where I am coming from

a reply to: MysticPearl

What Europe fails to understand is they wouldn't have to make such a request if Muslims didn't keep attacking people and blowing things up.

I do not think Europe fails to understand this, I believe that Europeans, being as understanding as they generally are, are being failed by the very people who they promoted to protect them i.e. the politicians.

The ONLY reason we have politics is for protection, am I right? Or maybe I missed the whole reason for politics brainwashing thing.

a reply to: artistpoet

How would we describe what is happening in the world if we dropped all labels and replaced them with the label Human ...

We would have the same issues without the means to define them, therefore we would be lost at sea.

The world is not what you want it to be, when it is, fine, but right now, it isn't.

a reply to: Jonjonj

We would have the same issues without the means to define them, therefore we would be lost at sea.

Labels are superficial like clothing ...Underneath we are all naked

Do you like labels placed on you ... what label describes you ... is it what you truly are

What category of Human Being do you align with

What does lost at sea really mean ... Can you name the sea on which we are supposedly lost

The truth is we are all Human Beings ... Allow yourself to be labeled if you wish if it makes you feel more found

So what label are you ... who do you align yourself with ... one particular label or the Human Race as a whole

While we divide the world by political and religous divide we will have no peace simple as that

Every Human Being is unique and soveriegn over their soul ... why choose a divisive label
When we are all Human Beings

I do not expect you to agree with anything I say ... Yet this is how I see things

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
That's strange, because the only commonality and the only thing connecting these attacks is Islam. If you don't want violent backlash against Muslims, tell them to stop killing innocents in the name of their religious beliefs.

What a load of bollocks.

The commonality connecting the attacks is human savagery, not Islam.

Anyone can claim to represent a religion, or that they carry out acts in the name of it. It doesn't mean that they actually do. You actually aid the people who do the killing by promoting their own propaganda in making such claims.

And which of the 1.5 billion muslims in the world are you telling, exactly? Because 99.99% of them haven't killed a soul in the name of their religious beliefs and are just getting on with their lives while idiots try and pin the blame of other idiots on them.

a reply to: artistpoet

Ahaa, oddly I love coffee but have accidentally thrown a couple of coffee cremes into my mouth over the years and it wasn't pleasant at all.

But terrorism is perhaps a bit extreme.