Trump the Heretic

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: angeldoll

So Trump is bad because he obeyed the law and followed the rules set forth by congress.

Correct?

Oh give it a rest. What makes it even more annoying is how he likes to brag about how much money he has. He doesn't just say "I'm rich".
He says "I'm very, very rich".

And then come to find out this "very, very rich" man doesn't pay taxes. It's absolutely disgusting.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: angeldoll

So Trump is bad because he obeyed the law and followed the rules set forth by congress.

Correct?

Oh give it a rest.

Did he break the law?

Did he violate the tax code?

a reply to: DBCowboy

I edited my post above yours. Please look -thanks.

a reply to: angeldoll

Those of us with INCOME pay income taxes. It is required of everyone, including those who can afford to Con their way out of it.
That is his definition of "winning". Of "genius". The big Con.

The more I learn about him, the more I believe he behaves like a gangster; a mobster, with a clever criminal-like intelligence.

His income was in the negative by almost a billion dollars. Would you pay income taxes if you had less than zero income?

a reply to: angeldoll

You brought up the tax issue.

He didn't break any laws, he didn't violate the tax code.

Now if you want a legitimate issue with Trump, you should bring up his approval to the "no fly-no buy" issue.

That, I find deplorable.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

And NOR would I go around bragging about what a genius business man I am when I lost that kind of money. On a casino, no less.

I wonder how he pays for his gold toilets, and is funding this campaign if he has zero income? It's all a big lie, Les.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't need your advice about what is and is not a "legitimate" Trump issue.
I brought up the tax issue because I wanted to, thank you very much.

a reply to: Gryphon66

“A great leader has to be flexible, holding his ground on the major principles but finding room for compromises that can bring people together. A great leader has to be savvy at negotiations so we don't drown every bill in pork barrel bridges to nowhere. I know how to stand my ground — but I also know that Republicans and Democrats need to find common ground to stand on as well.”

and

“Our country, our people, and our laws have to be our top priority.”

and

“That’s why one of my strongest ideas is to look at the tax code in both its complexity and its obvious bias toward the rich. Hedge fund and money managers are important for our pension funds and the 401(k) plans that help millions of Americans—but far less important than they think. But financial advisers should pay taxes at the highest levels when they’re earning money at those levels. Often, these financial engineers are “flipping” companies, laying people off, and making billions—yes, billions—of dollars by “downsizing” and destroying people’s lives and sometimes entire companies. Believe me, I know the value of a billion dollars—but I also know the importance of a single dollar.”

“Recently though, they have been claiming I haven’t put out enough specifics. There’s a good reason for this, and it fits perfectly with my overall philosophy of leadership: Many of our problems, caused by years of stupid decisions or no decisions at all, have grown into a huge mess. If I could wave a magic wand and fix them, I’d do it. But there are a lot of different voices—and interests—that have to be considered when working toward solutions. This involves getting people into a room and negotiating compromises until everyone walks out of that room on the same page.”

and this last one...

The best way not to have to use your military power is to make sure that power is visible. When people know that we will use force if necessary and that we really mean it, we’ll be treated differently. With respect. Right now, no one believes us because we’ve been so weak with our approach to military policy in the Middle East and elsewhere. Building up our military is cheap when you consider the alternative. We’re buying peace and we’re locking in our national security. Right now we are in bad shape militarily. We’re decreasing the size of our forces and we’re not giving them the best equipment. Recruiting the best people has fallen off, and we can’t get the people we have trained to the level they need to be. There are a lot of questions about the state of our nuclear weapons. When I read reports of what is going on, I’m shocked. It’s no wonder nobody respects us. It’s no surprise that we never win. Spending money on our military is also smart business. Who do people think build our airplanes and ships, and all the equipment that our troops should have? American workers, that’s who. So building up our military also makes economic sense because it allows us to put real money into the system and put thousands of people back to work. There is another way to pay to modernize our military forces. If other countries are depending on us to protect them, shouldn’t they be willing to make sure we have the capability to do it? Shouldn’t they be willing to pay for the servicemen and servicewomen and the equipment we’re providing? Depending on the price of oil, Saudi Arabia earns somewhere between half a billion and a billion dollars every day. They wouldn’t exist, let alone have that wealth, without our protection. We get nothing from them. Nothing. We defend Germany. We defend Japan. We defend South Korea. These are powerful and wealthy countries. We get nothing from them. It’s time to change all that. It’s time to win again. We’ve got 28,500 wonderful American soldiers on South Korea’s border with North Korea. They’re in harm’s way every single day. They’re the only thing that is protecting South Korea. And what do we get from South Korea for it? They sell us products—at a nice profit. They compete with us. We spent two trillion dollars doing whatever we did in Iraq. I still don’t know why we did it, but we did. Iraq is sitting on an ocean of oil. Is it out of line to suggest that they should contribute to their own future? And after the blood and the money we spent trying to bring some semblance of stability to the Iraqi people, maybe they should be willing to make sure we can rebuild the army that fought for them. When Kuwait was attacked by Saddam Hussein, all the wealthy Kuwaitis ran to Paris. They didn’t just rent suites—they took up whole buildings, entire hotels. They lived like kings while their country was occupied. Who did they turn to for help? Who else? Uncle Sucker. That’s us. We”

What is wrong with ANY of the statement he makes? On the other side you have only this...

He is a pig and hates women- misogyny
He is a douche and hates Muslims - xenophobia or racism..depends on the day
He is a asshole and wants to build a wall - racism
He is a con artist and a billionaire - not like us

That above is the entire talking point of the DNC. Hillary has NO tax plan. Nothing. An idea. That is it.

You can hate a person but at some point you have to admit that the hate blinded you from who that person really is. I hope you can come around once he is elected..

a reply to: DBCowboy

Gotta say I agree there about the guns on one hand and on the other it makes sense. I do not think you should be barred if on the no-fly list but maybe a background check of better measure could be made.

FLIP FLOPPING. How can we know what he thinks when HE doesn't even know?

To wit: This list features 126 distinct policy shifts on 21 major issues, tracking only his stated views since he announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015.

www.nbcnews.com...

a reply to: angeldoll

And NOR would I go around bragging about what a genius business man I am when I lost that kind of money. On a casino, no less.

I wonder how he pays for his gold toilets, and is funding this campaign if he has zero income? It's all a big lie, Les.

Difficult economic times hit everyone. Only someone financially incompetent would hit such a low that they would have to sell their belongings, gold or otherwise. Not only did he maintain his own lifestyle, but also the lifestyles of his family and employees.

originally posted by: imwilliam
Wicked bit of writing Misanthrope.

Bravo

I'll weep for the loss of your writing talent when the mob burns you at the stake while shouting "Blasphemer"

He sho does tawk purty!

Temperament and Presidential, 2 words with subjective meanings.

It shows how shallow these people are.

It's like that old joke with the punchline of,"You want one that looks good in the shower or one that works?"

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: DBCowboy

Gotta say I agree there about the guns on one hand and on the other it makes sense. I do not think you should be barred if on the no-fly list but maybe a background check of better measure could be made.

I don't want to derail the thread, but I find it interesting that on legitimate issues with Trump, there is near silence. It seems that non-issues are the driving force to eliminate Trump.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Indigo5

what standards do you employ whilst evaluating someone's competency to serve as President of the United States of America?

Personally I think nearly a half-century of leadership experience is a sign of competency.

Strange, because I find his professional history to be one of the primary examples of his lack of competency.

Trump Vodka?...Nobody wanted it
Trump Mortgage?..Launched 12 months before the housing collapse
Trump Airlines?...Bankrupt
Trump Steaks?...Didn't sell
Trump Water?..Might be back in business as his campaign docs showing him paying outrageous amounts for it.
Trump Magazine?..bankrupt
Trump University?...Outright fraud being prosecuted in several states.

And his construction projects left behind bankruptcies, lawsuits and unpaid contractors.

Of course, everyone is familiar with Trump’s real estate failings.

In total I see a man who began with a 15MM stake from his father and grew that money by exploiting those around him, convincing them to invest and then absconding with their money via the bankruptcy laws once his ventures failed, as they all inevitably do.

Are you aware that analysts have pointed out if he had placed his initial stake from his father in a standard index fund he would have more now than he does after all his frauds and exploiting of the bankruptcy laws?

He does "play" the billionaire role well though...even played one on TV.

Sounds like about $1 bil in loss to me.

Hey, glad you have 20/20 investment hindsight! How do you do it?!

If only they all bought 500,000 share in that orchard company, eh?

And how much did he borrow from his dad and paid back with interest?

I thought it was only $1 mil. Hillary said it was $14 mil at the debate.

Someone is lying or running with misinfo. I'll say both.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Then I suppose that is a difference between you and me, because I find the subject of basic DECENCY significant.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: DBCowboy

Then I suppose that is a difference between you and me, because I find the subject of basic DENCENCY significant.

And yet, you support Hillary.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
She has no real experience.

She bedded a man who became POTUS.

She became a Senator to a State that she never belonged to and did absolutely nothing of any significance while holding the position.

She failed to gain her party's nomination in '08

She was handed the job of Sec of State by Obama, having zero schooling or experience in foreign affairs, used the position to enrich her own family's Foundation to use as funding to run for POTUS.

In conclusion all she has experience in is positioning herself and funding herself to make a political run for office.

Someone told her 3rd time's a charm.

And you are spot on with everything else.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Ethics and morality aren't even talking points for this election other than as "throw aways" to insult the other opponent.

Are they ever? Politicians are never moral, and if they are the #1 rule of morality is to not rub your opponents face in it. The #2 rule is to not bring up how moral you are, because the rest of society will take that to mean that you're going to rule over their individual morals.

Morality is basically just an empty promise that can be used to attack an opponents character, it's not something a candidate can ever use to hold themselves in a positive light.

a reply to: Aazadan

Point taken.

I guess qualities of a leader have changed.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Your appeal to hypocrisy is meaningless, a waste of time.

I wasn't appealing to it. I was pointing it out.