10 months in jail for 87yo grandma who said Auschwitz was a labor camp.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Not to get sidetracked, but we actually do attack, invade, occupy and overthrow other nations.

But I would agree with you that we have no moral authority to do so.

I was simply expressing my views/opinions about an international news story, something which is routinely done here on ATS.

Sometimes I think we're more interested/obsessed with whats happening outside our borders.

if they had the death penalty in germany im pretty sure people like her would qualify for it



just kill or jail people that dont go along with the mainstream narrative....because thats been a proven strategy for quelling insurrection and dissent.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Willtell
democracy?

Freedom of thought?

She's free to think whatever she pleases. She hasn't been in trouble for what she thinks, but rather what she does about her thoughts.

Okay...

Unless you’re Donald Trump, one has to think before one says something.

I don't understand the mentality of " Oh, she is just a little old lady, He's just a little old man"

It doesn't matter the age, there are many "nasty" people out there. I'm guessing, with her backstory, she knew what she was saying was illegal.
She chose to go ahead and say it (apparently repeatedly over the years) so she should face the consequences.

a reply to: tribal

I'm guessing you're all for inciting riots and violence? That's what this is all about.

It isn't just a case of "an old woman disagreed with something and got arrested". She knows the law as she has been arrested multiple times for the SAME THING. She broke the law, again, and got arrested and charged, again.

a reply to: gladtobehere


A fair point.
but we usually invade for oil not freedom of speech.

I can't say this one bothers me.
She's a racist holocaust denier that broke the law.
Hope she enjoys prison.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Willtell
democracy?

Freedom of thought?

She's free to think whatever she pleases. She hasn't been in trouble for what she thinks, but rather what she does about her thoughts.

Okay...

Unless you’re Donald Trump, one has to think before one says something.

No kidding.

You completely missed my point. She isn't in trouble for what she thinks. She's in trouble for what she says and does. So thanks for paraphrasing what I said, I guess.

I don´t know it these points have been made but:

-it´s 8 months.
-she also said that the eye witnesses are not real and denounced them. Basically stating the eye witnesses lie. I was there personally and I´ve seen the crematories and gas chambers with my own eyes. At the door, the inside was dented and scratched and on the floor, you could see the trails on the tiles. The crematory and gas chambers are a bit away from the housings, now they are hidden behind trees, or at least that was the case around 2002-2004.

To be honest, it serves her right. Is it okay to denounce one of the biggest crimes in the last centuries just because you are old? No!

a reply to: gladtobehere

It's the equivalent of if the USA made it illegal to say the moon landings were fake.

Nobody should be put in jail for voicing their opinion, no matter how wrong their opinion may be

a reply to: Discotech

No it´s not the same. Not nearly.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: gladtobehere

Because it's illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany. It DOES cause riots and violence.

I don't see a holocaust denial in her statement.

a reply to: Discotech

Denying millions of people were put to death is the same as denying that a few people landed on the moon?!

Puhlease!

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: Discotech

No it´s not the same. Not nearly.

No but it is the same as forcing us to accept that JFK was killed as was stated and that many other history taught "facts" are undeniable and not questionable.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: gladtobehere

Because it's illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany. It DOES cause riots and violence.

I don't see a holocaust denial in her statement.

"Auschwitz was 'just a labour camp'"

You know? One of the places the mass executions took place?

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Discotech

Denying millions of people were put to death is the same as denying that a few people landed on the moon?!

Puhlease!

Did she say no one died in the camp?

a reply to: gladtobehere

However, she's not too old to keep breaking the law in her country despite being sentenced more than once. Age is just a number...it does not give anyone a free pass when it comes to violating the law. If she does not feel she should be held to the same standards as the rest of her countrymen, perhaps she should consider relocating to a country that is more tolerant of behavior like that.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

She denied it being a concentration camp. She said it was 'just a labour camp'.

It's not difficult to read.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

The notorious extremist was summoned to court, however, after declaring on television in April that "the Holocaust is the biggest and most sustainable lie in history."

www.dw.com...

a reply to: gladtobehere

You neglected to note -

Ursula Haverbeck, who is a friend of Gudrun Burwitz - elderly daughter of Nazi S.S. chief Heinrich Himmler - was sentenced in a court in Hamburg for sedition over an interview she gave to a TV station denying that Jews were murdered in extermination camps.

She knew what she was saying and she continued to push the lies of the SS / Nazis.

Even former Nazis who worked at the camps confirmed they were death camps.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

But totally unrelated to this case.