Why is Chicago a murder capital? Clues from a bloody month.

a reply to: CranialSponge

I mentioned it earlier, somewhere on ATS....but ghetto's have become the modern equivalent to "reservations". The Department of Health and Human Services is the new Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Its not quite as racist as it used to be....but the tinge of racism is still there, easily visible.



Another consideration is property ownership in the US. The fewer people that find their way up the socioeconomic ladder into property ownership, the more that the 1% can aggregate global wealth into their hands.

And this isn't like cash or liquid wealth. Its real wealth. They aren't making more real estate short of causing another ice age.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: CranialSponge

I mentioned it earlier, somewhere on ATS....but ghetto's have become the modern equivalent to "reservations". The Department of Health and Human Services is the new Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Its not quite as racist as it used to be....but the tinge of racism is still there, easily visible.

 

Another consideration is property ownership in the US. The fewer people that find their way up the socioeconomic ladder into property ownership, the more that the 1% can aggregate global wealth into their hands.

And this isn't like cash or liquid wealth. Its real wealth. They aren't making more real estate short of causing another ice age.

FYI….The average wealth of an AA is 5000 dollars assets. The average wealth of a White person is 100,000


One can deduce what they want from that stat

a reply to: Willtell

Where does this stat come from? Im interested in looking at whatever data is used re: correlatives.

a reply to: Willtell

It is mainly because of lack of inherited wealth in insurance, home ownership, or other investments. In addition, there are some cultural deficiencies as well in regards to managing money (wasting money on depreciating assets like fancy cars instead of buying investments). I studied this very topic quite extensively when I was getting my MBA.

originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Willtell

It is mainly because of lack of inherited wealth in insurance, home ownership, or other investments. In addition, there are some cultural deficiencies as well in regards to managing money (wasting money on depreciating assets like fancy cars instead of buying investments). I studied this very topic quite extensively when I was getting my MBA.

You're absolutely right. Great post!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Willtell

Where does this stat come from? Im interested in looking at whatever data is used re: correlatives.

This is pretty well common knowledge. Forbes in this case...

www.forbes.com... c5b

The United States is becoming much more racially and ethnically diverse. At the same time, it’s becoming more unequal in terms of wealth and income. These two trends are combining in an uncomfortable way: the wealth and income divide is happening along racial and ethnic lines.


The typical black household now has just 6% of the wealth of the typical white household; the typical Latino household has just 8%, according to a recent study called The Racial Wealth Gap: Why Policy Matters, by Demos, a public policy organization promoting democracy and equality, and the Institute on Assets and Social Policy.

In absolute terms, the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings in 2011, compared to $7,113 for the median black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household. (All figures come from the U.S. Census Bureau Survey of Income and Program Participation.)

Back in 1992/1993 I lived on the South Side of Chicago, down around 79th and Ashland South. As I recall, the murder rate back then was a little over 900 per year. So it can get a lot worse than it is now and I won't be surprised if it does.

There are a lot of good people in these dangerous/rough neighborhoods, a lot of people that are supporting themselves and their families through legal means and who aren't committing heinous crimes. In fact, most people in these neighborhoods fall into this category.

But as to those who aren't doing well, those who can't support themselves through legal means and/or those who don't play well with others:

Resources are limited, and sadly, some people just aren't going to "make it", no matter how many resources are directed towards them.

What we have in Chicago, and other places like it, is a situation that requires a harsh sort of triage.

The lion's share of the resources that are available, need to be directed to those with the will and capacity to succeed. Even more so to those that have demonstrated in some manner or the other this will and capacity. Some how or the other, these folks need to be identified. There has to be a separating of the wheat from the chaff. We can't continue backing the wrong horses. We can't continue to shotgun the available resources at the problem, the spill over of which, enables the very problem we're trying to fix.

Those without the will or capacity need to be provided with something along the lines of three hots and cot; dormitory style if they can't provide for themselves, as well as the opportunity to move into the "those with the will and capacity" group at some later time if they can demonstrate it's justified. (And yes, there would be a need to sub segregate this category, such as between those who can't and those who won't.)

Segregation, along the lines of those with the will and capacity and those without it, is a necessary first next step if we want to fix the problem.

Simply moving people without the will and capacity to better themselves out of bad neighborhood's just doesn't work. That's, in part at least, what the Section 8 program was all about.

I know first hand the destruction of the inner city. I wrote an Op a while back on it.

I use to sell clothes in taverns in one of our major inner cities and made a good living selling mainly ladies clothes in bars at night and apartment complexes...or just on the street. Made a good living.

The few days before the start of school we would make a killing selling kid clothes. Ladies pants suits for 20 bucks was a good item.

In that same city today there's not one tavern hardly still there.

You can’t even get drunk in those ghettos now unless you go to a liquor store owned by mainly east Indians.


You won’t find any black people owning any of the stores anywhere in the community, it’s a social phenomenon of weird proportions

No banks, few gas stations, no taverns, schools are closing in droves, no more community awareness or community events, hardly anything.

In fact in some regard Trump is right but he goes too far of course.

What’s happened is that outside of the inner cities black folks with a little something move out to surrounding communities that are a little better but not much better.

That covers the fact that the general economy is going through the globalist slave transition and even white areas are in economic straights

What you have to understand about Chicago is that it is a combination of street hooliganism, gangs and a Wild mid-West mentality that produces a hybrid real tough inner city black kid that is ready and willing to kill.

On the East coast their not as wild. Their a little cooler. The cool culture is from the east coast. So when a hick from the south or west goes to the ghetto they feel they have to prove themselves. They become real killers too may times. Or real victims.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

HELL NO.
They aren't stupid.
THAT would take UN mandated victims...THEN there would be an issue with "Confiscated" equipment and weapons they couldn't find AFTERWARDS...
No THAT will take a new type of enforcement system.
Marines and Army won't shoot on their own in great numbers,the units would rebel.

a reply to: Willtell

They aren't at ALL real "killers" THAT is a voluntary job.
They are only criminals,thugs and lost people who gave up.
they are corrupted kids who are making their own FAMILIES because DAD took a Hike as did the REST of the country on them so they don't have any other way..

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

HELL NO.
They aren't stupid.
THAT would take UN mandated victims...THEN there would be an issue with "Confiscated" equipment and weapons they couldn't find AFTERWARDS...
No THAT will take a new type of enforcement system.
Marines and Army won't shoot on their own in great numbers,the units would rebel.

That's what i like to hear.

a reply to: imwilliam

What you’re advising happens naturally on one level. The wheat will separate from the chaff by nature.

What we can’t or won’t do is upend the foundation of the psychosocial imprint that reproduces the social diseases that leads to the carnage of the criminality.

And because the community is literally shattered there is no possibility for any internal fix. THIS IS REALTED TO CERTAIN OUTER POWERS THAT BE THAT HAVE ALREADY MUDDIED THE SCENE.

We just don’t know how to do that at this time. Fix things from within...

The modern religion of the material eco-system of our society is enough for the majority to involve itself with but when social diseases within the poor inner city environment produce abnormal reactive impulses and anti-social behavior in abundance no one knows what to do anymore. No one wants to invest the resources in the poor communities anymore. Their saying we been there done that and we believe it won’t work.

What people don’t know is that the outer political powerful have already intervened in dark history and rent asunder the internal fix mechanism that should work integrally from any struggling community. Intelligence and solutions have been deliberately tainted, distorted and corrupted.


The solutions to the problems have been known decades ago. Only today the actors have been transformed into a pantomime of useless armatures of the real liberators of yesterday where real activists were about in the black community in abundance.

Point: in the old days we had MLK now we have BLM.
Then we had Malcolm X. Now we have Barack Obama.

a reply to: Willtell

I have a cousin that made herself a millionaire selling stuff like pantsuits to women. She did stuff like setting up booths, and going to peoples houses on appointment. Then opened a store, then when the internet exploded (and pantsuits went out of fashion) she moved to an online store making beads and beaded goods.

The key is having hustle. It aint no step for a stepper.

a reply to: Willtell


Hey Willtell,


It's a really sad situation and I'm inclined to sympathy for the people caught in it. That inclination to sympathy extends not just to those that are there and can't get out through no fault of their own, but also to those that have made mistakes that have either put them there or made their exit more difficult.

I really am a "each according to their need" sort of guy . . . but only to a point . . . and we've reached that point.

And because the community is literally shattered there is no possibility for any internal fix.

The middle class in this country is in decline. We're fighting too, fighting to maintain what we've worked for, and yes, in some cases what our parents have worked for, as a previous poster mentioned. Many of us are already struggling under the current tax burden and can't carry anymore. Some of us will soon be joining the ranks of the poor.

So I'm sorry; truly sorry, tax the "rich" some more if you can, that's between you and them, re-allocate or re-organize the resources already devoted to these neighborhoods, but don't look to the middle class for anymore. We've done our part and then some.

originally posted by: CranialSponge

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: CranialSponge
Generational poverty goes hand in hand with alcohol addiction, drug addiction, and crime.

Cram all those type of people into "ghetto" areas, with "ghetto" quality schools, "ghetto" quality slumlords, "ghetto" quality employers, and "ghetto" quality political representation....

What the hell do you expect the end results to be ?!

That these people are somehow magically going to not have "ghetto" mentalities ?!




Every single human being on the planet is a product of their environment in one way, shape, or form... Some manage to change their stars and get out alive, but most do not.




So the mathematical solution to the problematic equation is simply this:

Stop cramming these type of people into the same environmental conditions... generation after generation after generation after generation.

Dont forget ghetto quality neighbors.

A lady i work with, single mom, and I were talking about this today. She lives in a housing project, as she is a proud mother trying to raise her kids. All she wants is to find a house so that she doesn't have to have her kids living in that environment. Here, its not the felons insomuch as the mental patients.

Point being: we made sure our kids had stability in every facet of their life. In such a chaotic environment, that must be incredibly hard. Especially for a single mom just trying to give her 3 kids the best start she can.

Exactly.

Spread out the low income housing across the country into decent neighbourhoods, rural communities, etc. so that these people can see a better quality of life firsthand, thus giving their kids a fighting chance to not inherit the "ghetto" lifestyle and mentality.

At the same time, ensure that the public education system (especially the curriculum) is exactly the same nationally across the board, no matter what state/city/town/area it's in. To give each and every kid going to school the same education... thus giving them the same opportunities to carry that same high quality education forward with them wherever they go.


Shoving everybody into "ghetto" areas in the hopes that out-of-sight-out-of-mind will somehow make it all quietly go away is ridiculously delusional.

Had more to do with getting them to move up from the south as scab labor, cheep labor. They all moved into the same areas and became voting blocks. Long before the jobs dried up they were on the out mainly because of the power of unions. Dems went ahead and started "social programs" money and housing to keep them in a voting block.

Not to mention a good deal of this killing has become blood sport. Its madness. Its a blood sport culture with its own entertainment, news cover, drug driven with think tank hand ringing.

a reply to: imwilliam


I hear you

I’m well aware of that and said it in an earlier post regarding the middle class.

The thing is the middle class was never really the middle class in this country

That’s one of the scams going that auto workers, teachers, lab workers, and plumbers and 40 thousand to 60-70 thousand dollar people a year were really middle class. That’s a big lie

Middle class is doctors, Lawyers, actors, System Admin, the 120 to 200 thousand a year is middle class. Not what we have been told.

This btw is in any credible sociology class no my opinion.

So the people who think they are Middle class are not middle class their lower middle class.


Why is that important to know? Because when people think their more than what they really are they’ll get too expect less and think their better than the poor and in-fact what people think are middle class are nearer to the poor that they think


Their finding that out now

a reply to: Willtell

The middle class is not simply measure in income but its numbers. That group making 50 to 100 is very large. Numbers fall of fast when we start getting past the say 90,000 mark.

a reply to: 727Sky

I might have missed it, is there a reason this is in the history forum? I clicked expecting to see something linking back to the prohibition era and maybe drawing parallels but it seems to be more around the current state of affairs.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Willtell
What’s needed in the black community is a moral, spiritual and ethical renaissance


And in fact soon the white community will need similar as things are going


One or two more generations white experience will be just as bad


Black experience is the canary in the coal mine.

I think a change in thinking won't hurt.

But you cannot change thinking without changing environment. The US Government is the enemy of the people.

They shuffled the proud FIrst Nation peoples off to reservations. When it came time to address the injustice of black people, they changed the name from "reservation" to "housing project". Then started sending our felons, mental patients, and sex offenders to live with them.

Social service is like a baited hook. At least, when its Uncle Sams pockets we go fishing in.

I think the Democrats have, very successfully, sent the black community in certain areas straight back to the plantation. Not as workers this time, but as the crop itself.

Just like you spray # all over the fields and then reap the rewards of harvesting crops, the Democrats have built up systems to spray welfare all over these communities and then reap the rewards of harvesting votes.

The Democrats opposed emancipation from the outset, and they've now found a way to undo it with the victims cheering them on all the way. The people who are fighting to lift themselves out of the Democrats' modern slavery are being vilified and dragged back down by their own communities. That is the most terrible tragedy of all.

It makes me sad. And a bit angry, to be honest.