Soviet madness

I saw a documentary the other on history channel ( I think ). It was about nuclear weapons and it mentioned a Soviet plan to build a ship which contained around 30,000 tons of fissile products. The plan was that if they were to lose WWIII they would detonate the ship thus rendering the earth uninhabitable for humans. They only held back due to the failsafe considerations of putting the boat in the hands of the crew.
Pretty crazy isn't it !!!

Date: Tues, 16 Jan 96
Subject: 'Doomsday Machine' Created By Soviets In USSR's Last Days Still In Russian Arsenal


In the confusing and final years of the USSR, the Soviet leadership forgot (?!) to warn the West of the existence of the ultimate weapon system -- a system of terrifying power which would automatically send nuclear weapons shrieking toward the United States should nuclear weapons attack Russia, according to a story in the January edition of Jane's Intelligence Review (JIR), the threat assessment journal.

According to the story, the system was devised in the late 1970's and was intended to make the Soviet Union invulnerable to a US first strike which could eliminate top USSR leadership and leave the Soviets unable to retaliate.

Prior to the existence of the system, it was unclear what would happen if the Soviet leadership was "decapitated" by such a US first strike, as only the top Soviet officials new the codes to launch a nuclear attack. The "doomsday" system would automatically initiate the retaliatory nuclear launch process.

Only in the past few years have details of this "doomsday" system began to emerge. JIR Special correspondent Steven Zaloga looks at the nature of the "doomsday" device and describes what remains of the system today.


DOOMSDAY MACHINE PART OF ARSENAL
DATE - AUGUST 1993
NEW YORK


Russia's nuclear arsenal could be launched by computer should the country's military commanders die or become unable to direct the battle, an American expert says. The doomsday computer system, which was sucessfully tested in 1984, was meant to prevent a sudden nuclear strike from paralyzing the Soviet arsenal, Bruce G. Blair wrote in an op-ed piece in today's New York Times.

The idea of machines starting a nuclear war, one of the darkest fears of the nuclear era, has been portrayed in movies such as "War Games".

The Russian system is designed to be switched on by military commanders in a crisis, and in theory, would initiate action only if its sensors detected a nuclear attack on Moscow, Blair said. The system would work with little or no human oversight, sending coded messages thousands of miles to military forces and launching missiles with no human assistance, Blair said. It is, by nature, prone to error, he said.

Blair, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, based his conclusions on interviews with Russians who developed the system and Americans who corroborated key details.

The United States has its own version of this type of "doomsday machine", Blair wrote. The American system has less technical gagetry but gives launching authority to a greater number of military commanders.



[Edited on 28-11-2002 by mad scientist]

Ok. I'm calling Dr StrangeLove and I'll tellya what.

When you know the Reds, this story is not surprising. I'm pretty sure that we 'll have well minded westerns minds who'll try to explain us that it's our fault if the commies builded this doomday machine !

[Edited on 29-11-2002 by ultra_phoenix]

Great.
The worlds hugest nuclear arsenal is operated by a toaster...

30,000 tons of fissile products...
it would eat the ship and irradiate the crew

its impossible to hold so much radioactive material in one place, it would irradiate everything it came close to!!

I herd the idea was thought up some crazy Russian scientists but was shot down by the Soviet leaders.

"The Cold War with Russia is not over"
www.ncoic.com...

regards
seekerof

On 09 August 1961, Premier Nikita Khrushchev openly threatened the West with a new and terrifying weapon, the orbital H-bomb. "You do not have 50- or 100-megaton bombs, we have bombs more powerful than 100 megatons. We placed Gagarin and Titov in space, and we can replace them with other loads that can be directed to any place on Earth."

And look where all that bravado got the Russians today..........

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seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
And look where all that bravado got the Russians today..........

regards
seekerof

its the two faggots named yeltsin and gorbochev

ok...ok....I had to laugh at that one $tranger.....good one.

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seekerof

$tranger, the Iraqi Information Minister stands for ATS, and that is your best avatar yet.

Ebbs and flows.

Russia free of dictatorial oppression and artificial space races and cold wars is going through the mafia mob and crony capitalism period of some western countries at an accelerated speed, but on a smaller scale. If you are around in 50 years to make comparisons again, I think you would probably be in awe.

There may be a new revolution in Russia within the next two decades... possibly in other eastern european countries as well.

The standard of living is falling... more and more people are going hungry. Capitalism is failing... people will start to question this system. The air is ripe for revolution. It's only a matter of time.

Hopefully it will be a peaceful communist one, and not a dictatorship that claims to be socialist. All it takes is another Lenin, to capture the hearts of the people.

Na Zdrowie!

Too true comrade, i hope it will be a responsible and mature socialism.

DOOMSDAY MACHINE PART OF ARSENAL
DATE - AUGUST 1993
NEW YORK


Russia's nuclear arsenal could be launched by computer should the country's military commanders die or become unable to direct the battle, an American expert says. The doomsday computer system, which was sucessfully tested in 1984, was meant to prevent a sudden nuclear strike from paralyzing the Soviet arsenal, Bruce G. Blair wrote in an op-ed piece in today's New York Times.

The idea of machines starting a nuclear war, one of the darkest fears of the nuclear era, has been portrayed in movies such as "War Games".

The Russian system is designed to be switched on by military commanders in a crisis, and in theory, would initiate action only if its sensors detected a nuclear attack on Moscow, Blair said. The system would work with little or no human oversight, sending coded messages thousands of miles to military forces and launching missiles with no human assistance, Blair said. It is, by nature, prone to error, he said.

Blair, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, based his conclusions on interviews with Russians who developed the system and Americans who corroborated key details.

The United States has its own version of this type of "doomsday machine", Blair wrote. The American system has less technical gagetry but gives launching authority to a greater number of military commanders.

*cough*[size=20]SKYNET*cough*

wow thats is pretty scary stuff there

I have heard of Dead hand for a long time My uncle was in the military and told me about this during one of our discussions about nuclear war.Though I not quite sure if I thought Russia was crazy enough to really make such a thing.

I also heard about this "Doom Day" weapon the Russians had created though I never knew it was in a ship. I just assumed it was underground somewhere in Russia. If I remember what I was told about it, it wasnt so much of a bomb more of just a system to spread so much radioactive material into earths atmosphere that it would kill every human on earth. Somewhat like the worlds biggest dirty bomb.

This is indeed some scary stuff. Hopefully if we ever create true A.I we will not put it into the same room as a system like this.

necro99 your right about the SkyNet thing

Originally posted by ShadowXIX

I also heard about this "Doom Day" weapon the Russians had created though I never knew it was in a ship. I just assumed it was underground somewhere in Russia. If I remember what I was told about it, it wasnt so much of a bomb more of just a system to spread so much radioactive material into earths atmosphere that it would kill every human on earth. Somewhat like the worlds biggest dirty bomb.

Definately, Only a fraction of the nuclear materials would achieve a chain reaction the rest would be blown into the atmosphere. Lovely mentality these Soviet leaders had.

Originally posted by PolskieWojsko
There may be a new revolution in Russia within the next two decades... possibly in other eastern european countries as well.

The standard of living is falling... more and more people are going hungry. Capitalism is failing... people will start to question this system. The air is ripe for revolution. It's only a matter of time.

Hopefully it will be a peaceful communist one, and not a dictatorship that claims to be socialist. All it takes is another Lenin, to capture the hearts of the people.

Na Zdrowie!

I hope what you say is true. The people of Russia and Eastern Europe have had a hard 20th century and deserve a good life in the 21st. As does all of humanity for that matter.

The thing is that if a communist revolution occurs the US will automatically interfere, at it always does. The US governemnt cannot stand the communist ideology with it's equality and distribution of wealth. It doesn't want any of that.

God, you would think the nuclear fallout from WWIII would be enough..... But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, not for the Russians - they have to ake sure EVERYTHING dies - not just NATO, but all of Africa, South America, the Middle East, and Asia.

What great wordly nieghbors.....

Originally posted by Seekerof
"The Cold War with Russia is not over"
www.ncoic.com...

regards
seekerof

You no what they say about keeping your enemies as friends