Dutch Investigators Give Results of MH17 Probe to Families

a reply to: Xcalibur254



And this one was a year BEFORE the Maidan protests and the start of the civil war



But keep on believing that the US has no involvement if it makes you sleep better at night

originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: Xcalibur254

You know, none of this would have happened if the US, UK and other EU states hadn't decided to install a neo nazi puppet government resulting in the civil war for Ukraine.

Sure we can blame Russia, we can blame the rebels in the East but the cause of it all is down to our own governments meddling.

We (westerners) all have blood on our hands for allowing our governments to keep running these proxy wars

None of this would have happened had Russia not invaded Ukraine. None of this would have happened had Russia not brought the missile system into Ukraine. None of this would have happened had they not targeted a civilian airliner.

Stop blaming the west for Russia's stupidity.

a reply to: Velatropa24

Since we're asking questions...

Why did the separatists initially not allow investigators access to the crash site?

Why is there video of the separatists moving pieces of the wreckage of of the area?

Why did it take so long for the separatists to turn over the black box?

Why did Russia claim they had radar data showing an Su-25 near MH17?

Why did the Kremlin have state sponsored media report on the obvious Photoshop job of the Su-25?

Why did Russia veto the Tribunal that would bring the culprits to justice?

Why did Russia contradict their own initial claims regarding the Su-25 when they published the "recently found" radar data on Monday?

Why did Russia publish that radar data as proof of anything when that radar would not be able to detect a SAM?

Since day one Russia has tried to muddy the waters with misinformation and outright false information. Since day one the US'sorry had remained consistent. Why would Russia throw out so many red herrings if they weren't trying to protect the guilty party?

a reply to: Discotech

Intercepted audio of rebels shooting down mh 17.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Discotech

Inter5cepted audio of rebels shooting down mh 17.

Originally found on social media. Prove they are rebels and not the ukranian side or americans.

Russian missile from an area controlled by pro-Russian Ukranian rebels.

Doesn't take long to join the dots on that one.

a reply to: Velatropa24

Prove it was Nuland and Pyatt in the audio and not Russian services faking their voices.

MH17 downed by Buk missile moved from Russia to Ukraine, criminal investigation finds

Dutch-led criminal investigators said Wednesday they have solid evidence that a Malaysian jet was shot down by a Buk missile moved into eastern Ukraine from Russia.

Wilbert Paulissen, head of the Central Crime Investigation department of the Dutch National Police, said communications intercepts showed that pro-Moscow rebels had called for deployment of the mobile surface-to-air weapon, and reported its arrival in rebel-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine.

From that and other evidence collected by the Joint Investigation Team, "it may be concluded MH17 was shot down by a 9M38 missile launched by a Buk, brought in from the territory of the Russian Federation, and that after launch was subsequently returned to the Russian Federation," Paulissen told a news conference.

The conclusions were billed as results of a two-year Dutch-led criminal probe of the disaster that claimed 298 lives.

A separate investigation by Dutch safety officials last year concluded that the Amsterdam-to-Kuala Lumpur flight was downed by a Buk missile fired from territory held by pro-Russian rebels.

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish
Russian missile from an area controlled by pro-Russian Ukranian rebels.

Doesn't take long to join the dots on that one.

Prove it got fored from pro russian separatist areas. Ive heard the claim. Where is the proof? Saying that Duch investigators said so does not constitute proof.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Velatropa24

Prove it was Nuland and Pyatt in the audio and not Russian services faking their voices.

MH17 downed by Buk missile moved from Russia to Ukraine, criminal investigation finds

Dutch-led criminal investigators said Wednesday they have solid evidence that a Malaysian jet was shot down by a Buk missile moved into eastern Ukraine from Russia.

Wilbert Paulissen, head of the Central Crime Investigation department of the Dutch National Police, said communications intercepts showed that pro-Moscow rebels had called for deployment of the mobile surface-to-air weapon, and reported its arrival in rebel-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine.

From that and other evidence collected by the Joint Investigation Team, "it may be concluded MH17 was shot down by a 9M38 missile launched by a Buk, brought in from the territory of the Russian Federation, and that after launch was subsequently returned to the Russian Federation," Paulissen told a news conference.

The conclusions were billed as results of a two-year Dutch-led criminal probe of the disaster that claimed 298 lives.

A separate investigation by Dutch safety officials last year concluded that the Amsterdam-to-Kuala Lumpur flight was downed by a Buk missile fired from territory held by pro-Russian rebels.

i dodnt claim or say anything about them.

originally posted by: Velatropa24

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish
Russian missile from an area controlled by pro-Russian Ukranian rebels.

Doesn't take long to join the dots on that one.

Prove it got fored from pro russian separatist areas. Ive heard the claim. Where is the proof? Saying that Duch investigators said so does not constitute proof.

Here you go -

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Velatropa24

originally posted by: MongolianPaellaFish
Russian missile from an area controlled by pro-Russian Ukranian rebels.

Doesn't take long to join the dots on that one.

Prove it got fored from pro russian separatist areas. Ive heard the claim. Where is the proof? Saying that Duch investigators said so does not constitute proof.

Here you go -

...and the proof is where? His saying so?

originally posted by: Velatropa24

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Velatropa24

Prove it was Nuland and Pyatt in the audio and not Russian services faking their voices.

MH17 downed by Buk missile moved from Russia to Ukraine, criminal investigation finds

Dutch-led criminal investigators said Wednesday they have solid evidence that a Malaysian jet was shot down by a Buk missile moved into eastern Ukraine from Russia.

Wilbert Paulissen, head of the Central Crime Investigation department of the Dutch National Police, said communications intercepts showed that pro-Moscow rebels had called for deployment of the mobile surface-to-air weapon, and reported its arrival in rebel-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine.

From that and other evidence collected by the Joint Investigation Team, "it may be concluded MH17 was shot down by a 9M38 missile launched by a Buk, brought in from the territory of the Russian Federation, and that after launch was subsequently returned to the Russian Federation," Paulissen told a news conference.

The conclusions were billed as results of a two-year Dutch-led criminal probe of the disaster that claimed 298 lives.

A separate investigation by Dutch safety officials last year concluded that the Amsterdam-to-Kuala Lumpur flight was downed by a Buk missile fired from territory held by pro-Russian rebels.

i dodnt claim or say anything about them.

Doesn't matter.. If you are going to dismiss that intercepted audio then the intercepted audio Russia released is just as suspect. Stop trying to deflect.

a reply to: Velatropa24

You have an issue understanding dont you?

Its the press conference where they lay out the evidence. Should we assume you wont watch it because it has evidence implicating Russia?

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Velatropa24

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Velatropa24

Prove it was Nuland and Pyatt in the audio and not Russian services faking their voices.

MH17 downed by Buk missile moved from Russia to Ukraine, criminal investigation finds

Dutch-led criminal investigators said Wednesday they have solid evidence that a Malaysian jet was shot down by a Buk missile moved into eastern Ukraine from Russia.

Wilbert Paulissen, head of the Central Crime Investigation department of the Dutch National Police, said communications intercepts showed that pro-Moscow rebels had called for deployment of the mobile surface-to-air weapon, and reported its arrival in rebel-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine.

From that and other evidence collected by the Joint Investigation Team, "it may be concluded MH17 was shot down by a 9M38 missile launched by a Buk, brought in from the territory of the Russian Federation, and that after launch was subsequently returned to the Russian Federation," Paulissen told a news conference.

The conclusions were billed as results of a two-year Dutch-led criminal probe of the disaster that claimed 298 lives.

A separate investigation by Dutch safety officials last year concluded that the Amsterdam-to-Kuala Lumpur flight was downed by a Buk missile fired from territory held by pro-Russian rebels.

i dodnt claim or say anything about them.

Doesn't matter.. If you are going to dismiss that intercepted audio then the intercepted audio Russia released is just as suspect. Stop trying to deflect.

nothing was said by me about intercepted audio by russia. Infact, i dont know anything about it or claim to. It seems it is you who is deflecting here.

originally posted by: Velatropa24

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Velatropa24

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Velatropa24

Prove it was Nuland and Pyatt in the audio and not Russian services faking their voices.

MH17 downed by Buk missile moved from Russia to Ukraine, criminal investigation finds

Dutch-led criminal investigators said Wednesday they have solid evidence that a Malaysian jet was shot down by a Buk missile moved into eastern Ukraine from Russia.

Wilbert Paulissen, head of the Central Crime Investigation department of the Dutch National Police, said communications intercepts showed that pro-Moscow rebels had called for deployment of the mobile surface-to-air weapon, and reported its arrival in rebel-controlled areas of eastern Ukraine.

From that and other evidence collected by the Joint Investigation Team, "it may be concluded MH17 was shot down by a 9M38 missile launched by a Buk, brought in from the territory of the Russian Federation, and that after launch was subsequently returned to the Russian Federation," Paulissen told a news conference.

The conclusions were billed as results of a two-year Dutch-led criminal probe of the disaster that claimed 298 lives.

A separate investigation by Dutch safety officials last year concluded that the Amsterdam-to-Kuala Lumpur flight was downed by a Buk missile fired from territory held by pro-Russian rebels.

i dodnt claim or say anything about them.

Doesn't matter.. If you are going to dismiss that intercepted audio then the intercepted audio Russia released is just as suspect. Stop trying to deflect.

nothing was said by me about intercepted audio by russia. Infact, i dont know anything about it or claim to. It seems it is you who is deflecting here.

Doesn't matter. I will use your standard.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Velatropa24

You have an issue understanding dont you?

Its the press conference where they lay out the evidence. Should we assume you wont watch it because it has evidence implicating Russia?

You should read my post 19 in this topic.social media is not evidence.

a reply to: Velatropa24

Neither is anything released by Russian intelligence, especially when Russia is one of the actors in the crime.

But thank you for proving my point.

Still waiting for the official report but this appears to have more info than the press report.

Presentation preliminary results criminal investigation MH17 28-09-2016

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I provided a link a few posts up of the press conference.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Velatropa24

Neither is anything released by Russian intelligence, especially when Russia is one of the actors in the crime.

But thank you for proving my point.

I'd go so far as to say US is responsible for that one if i lowered to your standards of blindly accepting propaganda (Russian or american) and not seeing the purposes behind them. Causes of effects. Go figure.