Post-debate poll: Hillary Clinton takes round one

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: MongolianPaellaFish

These so-called "scientific polls" are increasingly meaningless if their recent humiliating failures to accurately predict results is anything to go by.

Which failures are you referring to?

a reply to: imitator

Plausible

I think the biggest winner of the night was Hillary's medical team.

All that time she took off to adjust her med coktail really paid off.

Just enough opiates to stifle the cough with just the right amount of stimulants to offset the opiate stupor without making her too wired. That on top of the other meds she is taking for her myriad of health issues. The next-gen exo-skeleton was well concealed under her blood red clown outfit and kept her on her feet. She started to peter-out towards the end but she made it.

The bigget loser was the overtly biased Lester Holt.

a reply to: kruphix

Online or phone what difference does it really make
If you look at the cnn/orc participants 26% Republicans , 41% democrats, 33% independent. But they always seems to leave those numbers out of the article.
How can any one say a poll is fair when the numbers are like that. Wouldn't it be more fair if it was r35% d35% and i30%?
I realise they are randomly called. But as you can see from the article that these participants were already used from a previous poll.. so that means cnn/orc already knew who was registered to what party before they got the answers for this poll.

Polling is the worse way to get any statistics about anything.
Im not saying Trump won because of the polls that say he won and no one should say Hillary won because of polls that she won either. 500 people is not representation of a whole country..

originally posted by: Profusion

Hillary Clinton was deemed the winner of Monday night's debate by 62% of voters who tuned in to watch, while just 27% said they thought Donald Trump had the better night, according to a CNN/ORC Poll of voters who watched the debate.
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Trump did himself in by:

Not releasing his income tax return

Publicly doubting Obama's birth certificate

Making stupid, pointless, irrelevant statements about women

Having a racial bias against black people in the past

Questioning if Hillary Clinton looks presidential

Trump left himself too open to criticism. In the first debate he was double-teamed, and it was all too easy to defeat him.

Ya, only if those subjects are relevant to being qualified for potus.

Which I doubt very much.

It was like a National Enquire debate.

Trump's performance was a disaster.

It was hard for me to watch. I felt they were behaving like children only 20 minutes in. Speaking out of turn, speaking over one another, nearly shouting at one point.

The thing that really turned me off from Trump (I had planned to give them each a chance) was when his response to not paying any federal taxes was something to the effect of "That's because I'm smart."

I don't know about you all, but to me that IS smart, for HIM. It also makes him a thief. Disingenuous. That's merely my own opinion.

Hillary didn't really stand out to me last night other than, well, she was better behaved than her debate partner.

I certainly can't say that either one has my vote at this moment. At least this debate has provided something for me to build on. I hope the next debate won't be as painful as this one was, but I can't wait to hear what else they have to say.

I think its really neat that we get to see them Live. This is my first presidential debate as a conscious adult, so I'm doing my best to get info from both sides, and just see who I think would best lead this country for the next 4 years. It's more than just listening though as I've learned..... You have to know history, you have to know how various laws work and how they'd be affected etc.....

Election is no simple, joking matter!

-Alee

The majority here seem to believe there is a choice. Being a conspiracy site I would have thought quite a few people would believe that democracy is an illusion, the people we vote in follow an agenda regardless of what they are supposed to representt....don't they?

Trump failed because he is following the script.

That was not the usual trump.

He failed big time, anyone with half a brain can see he is not legit, he is throwing the election.

a reply to: Profusion

I call the debate a draw. In this unusual electoral cycle I suspect there isn't many undecided voters out there. The result on election night or in my case day. I think the debates will only serve to reinforce people's existing views of Trump and Clinton. Just my 10 cents.

Are you really citing that CNN poll? lol. You do realize that CNN is heavily slanted toward the Left, dontcha? Also, before CNN released that poll, it was said that well over HALF of the demographic that voted were in fact Democrats. Like 27% Republicans even voted.

That CNN poll is trash and nothing brag about.

originally posted by: Now2016
He failed big time, anyone with half a brain can see he is not legit, he is throwing the election.

Before hand I thought Trump was going to self sabotage like happened at the GOP Convention. I was surprised by the fact this didn't occur in a big way during the debate. A interesting turn of events at least in my mind.

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat
I would have thought quite a few people would believe that democracy is an illusion, the people we vote in follow an agenda regardless of what they are supposed to representt....don't they?

I'm not stupid or ignorant enough to believe that crap.

originally posted by: imitator
The polls can't be trusted anymore, it doesn't matter anyway.... my bet is on a October surprise that will leave one standing.

Im waiting for Trumps taxes to be leaked. Then even his paid minions will stop supporting him.

Trump a lot of ammunition on the field. He missed opportunities on multiple occasions about many Hillary mess ups. I agree online quicky polls aren't scientific but when liberal media sites like CNBC, CBC, The Hill, Time, and more all are showing Trump won to varies degree's it shows a pattern. I have only seen one poll that had Hillary up...drum roll please..... CNN. No surprise there!

Next round he better go after the CLinton Foundation, EMails more, Her enabling and bulldogging Bills lovers at a minimum.

I watched a few minutes, they both looked plastic and full of themselves. How anybody could consider either as Presidential is beyond me....


But hey, Defend your marionette.....

She won by a big margin.

However China should give him a prize, counting the number of times he spoke about them, its great for economy and publicity reasons.


China, China, China, China

I thought Trump did great and Hillary seemed completely out of her league. Trump laid out all her lies, screw ups and bad deals, then laid out how he would do it better. I thought he was great.

a reply to: Ohanka

I think Trump has to account for a lot of outrageous remarks he's said on the campaign trail. Anyone can easily watch Hillary's attack ads of actual recorded video of Donald Trump's outrageous rhetoric. He doesn't apologize for it and many times he denies he even said it! Never in any election has one candidate ever made such blatant remarks and have given opposing candidates so much recorded material to question their own credentials! That amount of information alone justifies the media to grill him on these issues!

The media dropped the ball for not questioning and attacking the Bush administration for the reason to invade Iraq. Maybe if they would have sounded the alarm, the U.S. wouldn't be in the situation we're now in. Both candidates need to be vetted by the media for the public to make an intelligent choice on election day. Clinton has been attacked about her e-mails, but I think her actions and criminal offense are not as clear-cut to the general public as much as Trump being caught denying things he's been caught saying time and time again.

Unfortunately both candidates have skeletons in their closets. I think this election comes down to choosing the candidate who will be a direct benefit to the voter rather than the nation as a whole. Forget about trustworthiness because they've both failed miserably in that area. Let's just hope who ever the voter chooses, that candidate doesn't put this country in a 3rd World War, or ends up destabilizing the U.S..

a reply to: Puppylove

I agree--I was hopeful when Trump started off the debate with an even-toned, presidential-sounding approach to answering question, but he just couldn't help but landslide into the interrupting, talking-over, I-have-to-always-be-in-control business shark that he really is.

But I must say, Clinton did her fair share of petty arguing as well, and was making some really bad facial contortions in reactions to Trump that really showed a level of immaturity that I didn't really expect to see from such a seasoned politician.

They both failed to impress me, and like many others note, Hillary has failed to impress me time and time and time and time again while she has been a political figurehead in America. At least with Trump, he really hasn't failed as a politician in so many ways, so at least we get to wonder at how bad of a president that he would be--we already know with Hillary.