Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership

a reply to: Hazardous1408

He had no idea about how to do anything, not just eat a sandwich.

His slavish refusal to even countenance the very idea of a referendum on EU membership was a shining example of his contempt for people outside the political elite.

Not once did he propose or support any repeal of the rabid anti union stuff that the Tories and nu Labour held so dear.

a reply to: SprocketUK


I agree. Labour's stance on E.U membership was what lost them the election, because there wasn't much else between Labour and the Tories regarding policies. Both were pro austerity, and wanted to continue punishing the people for the mistakes of the banking sector.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Miliband said plenty about the Unions.
The media just didn't want to report it.
I followed him the whole cycle.

The Labour leader pledged to end a system under which 3m union members automatically gave money to the party. At the time the shake-up was compared positively with reforms in the 1990s which abolished the union block vote at party conferences. Tony Blair said it was “bold”.

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I already explained the "no referendum" meme on the last page...
If we'd got the deal we wanted with the EU a referendum would have been moot...

Cameron failed to get the deal we wanted...
There would have been a referendum.


Let's not drift too far anyways this is about Corbyn's win and electability, not Ed the good, but naive, egg.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: SprocketUK

Miliband said plenty about the Unions.
The media just didn't want to report it.
I followed him the whole cycle.

The Labour leader pledged to end a system under which 3m union members automatically gave money to the party. At the time the shake-up was compared positively with reforms in the 1990s which abolished the union block vote at party conferences. Tony Blair said it was “bold”.

www.ft.com...



I already explained the "no referendum" meme on the last page...
If we'd got the deal we wanted with the EU a referendum would have been moot...

Cameron failed to get the deal we wanted...
There would have been a referendum.


Let's not drift too far anyways this is about Corbyn's win and electability, not Ed the good, but naive, egg.

What you quoted was a vehicle to further disentangle labour from unions. A continuation of a Blairite agenda.

Not one union member in the uk is forced to automatically pay the levy.
Once you join a union, your preference has to be stated on a form.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
I agree. Labour's stance on E.U membership was what lost them the election, because there wasn't much else between Labour and the Tories regarding policies.

There was a difference between the Tory and Labour policies. It's just that no one believed Labour. At the end of the day there was no confidence that Labour could fight their way out of a paper bag.

To be honest I cannot see Corbyn instilling trust that he could run a raffle, let alone a country. The electorate has never been left wing and always votes for a party in that occupies the centre ground and is credible.

Sadly, the other bloke who stood against Corbyn (cannot remember his name) was a waste of space.

I do wonder whether Labour is in its dying days. They need to cut out the Trade Unions and re-invent. If the Liberals were not so wet they would be able to step into the space being vacated by Labour. As a one-time Labour voter, I am sad to see the party slipping into pointlessness.

FFS Labour still sing Red Flag at their conferences... "The people's flag is deepest red | It shrouded oft our martyred dead" etc

Corbyn in my opinion is a hypocrite, while he was a back bencher he often voted against blair and the labour party's stance on war in Iraq and many other things, yet seems to hate any back bencher disagreeing with him or they way the labour party should head. I think his stance on "pushing the button", replacing trident and "traingate" and his inability to atleast sit down and talk with his MPs shows a stubborn, rude and self obsessed man also the fact that he looks like a geography teacher from the 1970s doesn't help. Give us a labour party worth voting for!!

Labour are a spent force in UK politics. Corbyn has taken them into realm of student politics and idealistic socialism. Middle England win elections, not students.

Labour will split into two parties, neither of which will be electable for the foreseeable future.

a reply to: sunnyade

I really can't see that happening.

JC would never quit the Labour Party, especially with his increased mandate!
And the Blairites won't leave all that infrastructure behind. It takes a lot of effort, time, money and support to create a new political party.

I expect to see another leadership challenge before the next election though.
They could do that if they persuade the new leader of the Unite Union to be on their side, as I heard they will be having a re-election for leader next year. Though Len McCluskey may get re-elected.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Jeremy Corbyn shared a stage with terrorists.
He refused to condemn those terrorists whilst in the same speech condemned UK Armed Forces.

Jeremy Corbyn has stated he will unilaterally disarm the UK.

Jeremy Corbyn has been a life long opponent of the EU.
Upon being elected Labour Party leader he conveniently changed his opinion and became an EU supporter.

He is as much a career politician as the rest of them and has just as little political conviction.

I personally could never, ever vote for a party led by such a man.

He certainly has espoused several policies that I would passionately support, however, he is completely unelectable.

He represents the PC driven, emasculated, champagne socialist elite that dominate the modern day Labour Party and has as little in common with 'traditional' Labour voters as the Tory scum who are tearing the great country apart.

All part of the party political merry-go round whose primary concern is maintaining the status quo and protecting the vested interests of an elite.

Corbyn wont be the leader of the Labour party when the next General election comes around. The majority of his MP's do not believe in him and eventually something will have to give.
IF by some minor miracle he was the leader at the next election I just don't see him leading the labour party to winning. If he cannot unite his own MP's what chance does he have of getting a large percentage of the country to vote for him.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Well done Jeremy Corbyn, not only has he managed to win the Leadership competition, he has increased his Mandate.

This man has faced attack after attack since he bacame Leader in September 2015, but this has only acted to reinforce his support and I am glad to see that the members can see that he is electable, has policies that are fair for everyone and that his new way of politics is something people believe in.

There will not be a split in Labour, those M.P's who voted against him in the vote of no confidence that prompted this Leadership competition will not walk out on their jobs. Personally I believe they should, if their principles were such, that no matter what, they could not get behind their leader after the referendum, to ensure the Tories are held to account, and become an opposition of force.

Well done Jezza!!

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As an avowed Tory, I'm over the moon

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

Those New Labour lot should move on and start their own party like George Galloway if they're so confident they can win without Jeremy's leadership.

This is a splendid idea. I think that Labour is too vast a spread of ideas for a single political party. They would be better served breaking off into lots of smaller parties, each one then being able to focus on a particular facet of the diamond that is the current "Labour" party.