Useless SJW gives the finger to the wrong dude.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: TheRedneck

I just believe she was the root cause. By her own admission, she shot him the middle finger, made inappropriate comments to him, and expected him to do nothing about it because of her weight and gender.

No, she didn't expect him to do nothing. She said in her video that she expected him to flip her right back. She expected a non-physical response to her non-physical communication. Chasing her in the car could have caused a car accident, and that would have been very physical.

I keep seeing everyone saying he chased her....the only person who said that was her. She seems a bit prone to exaggerate. Why is anyone taking her at her word? She also said she flagged the cop down. From an article I linked to earlier that is not the real story. He called police and followed her so he could let them know where she was. That is even backed up by the fact that the police officer actually took the guys story first, which is what they do...they take the story of the person that called the police before the story of the one having the police called on them.

I think she is full of it. She wants her 15 seconds of fame back from when she was on radio and is just looking for any excuse to post videos online.

She looks and acts like a complete nutcase in all of the videos I have seen.

She deserves whatever she has gotten. She brought it on herself. I am guessing she will continue to play the victim role for the long haul.

Anywho...glad she doesn't live in my neighborhood.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Say he did just give her the finger back.

Much has come to light about this woman since the beginning of this thread.

So, taking that into consideration, do you believe that she would have escalated after having the insult returned in kind?

Was she waiting for a photo of the Trump supporter giving her the finger so she could further shame him on social media?

What do you think?

She actually reminds me of this lady....this is the future I see for her:

a reply to: kaylaluv

An equal response to his signage would be to erect opposing signage. She didn't do that; she escalated the situation by responding to a political sign with a physical gesture. He then, according to her account, escalated the situation by attempting to get her license number.

In other words, he did the same thing she did, even assuming the worst of him. She escalated; he escalated. Her complaint was that he did so.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Lol! "GARGILES!!!!"

originally posted by: reldra
Well, the people who swing first will be arrested, in normal cities. Drat those laws.

Really? You would think that would be the case, but more likely is the first punch goes unseen by anyone (because no one is expecting it) while the second (or third) punch is usually the one people remember because it was AFTER the first punch connected that they started paying attention.

originally posted by: Bobaganoosh
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

That is correct. This aspect of internet culture has existed since before Trump even had an army of supporters.

This woman allegedly was employed, all be it for a short period of time, as a social media analyst. I find it highly unlikely that she had no expectation of ridicule from the online community.

She disturbed a hornets nest and subsequently got swarmed.

There is a reason that this very moral lesson has been told in children's stories for centuries.

Denying such a lesson out of disdain for its origins does not make the lesson any less relevant.

That's interesting. Can you imagine if we raised children this way? When the sister says something snotty to the brother and he punches her in the face, we discipline only she who "started it" and hold back critique for he who brought it up a notch?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

It could easily be the case that he's inclined to a bit of bellicosity and she's inclined to some grandstanding dramatics, eh?

It could easily be the case, no argument. I believe I even stated such.

I am simply pointing out that there are possibilities, not factual evidence for his behavior. I in no way condone his actions without some evidence. Her actions have no realistic possibilities other than her purposely being confrontational by her own admission. The likely probability is that both were out of line in some way.

I just believe she was the root cause. By her own admission, she shot him the middle finger, made inappropriate comments to him, and expected him to do nothing about it because of her weight and gender. Kinda ridiculous, to be honest, and kinda surprising that she doesn't have permanent fist marks across her face from doing stoopid in the past. It has been my observation that eventually confrontational actions lead to direct confrontational violence, right or wrong.

TheRedneck

Fair enough. I disagree with both of them, to be honest. But it's hard for me not to lean hard on the side of debating in her favor when the title of the thread is "Useless SJW gives the finger to the wrong dude". I think the intent is to celebrate intimidation and the threat of violence when such is targeted at a "SJW" and I strongly object to the normalization of things like:

- Stalking someone because they offended you with a passing insult
- Violating Twitter's terms of service by trying to impersonate an individual to do harm to their reputation
- Submitting fraudulent reviews on Amazon
- Harassing someone's prior employers in an ignorant attempt to facilitate their termination

To me the question of whether her actions were immature is a pale shadow next to the question of whether the reaction to them was inappropriate. The title of this thread and the tone of it remind me uncomfortably of the recent thread that was originally entitled something along the lines of "entitled Muslim gets what is coming to him" when all available evidence suggests that a Christian extremist violently attacked a black person because their ideology renders them wont to do such. Whether the victim in that case demonstrated bad manners by allegedly listening to rap in a public place next to people who were praying (illegally, I might add) in a public place is quite irrelevant to the question of whether he deserved a life threatening blow to the head from someone who was likely armed with iron knuckles. And yet there were dozens of pages full of ATS members celebrating and defending this act.

I am inclined to think the response here is a milder version of same.

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

It never worked that way for my little brother and I, we fought each other, we both got punished.

If we didn't defend each other when being threatened by somebody else, we both got punished.

If we fought somebody smaller than us, we got punished. (didn't happen but once or twice, I wasn't a big kid)

That's all off topic though.

I do believe she was pursued. I don't believe that it was nearly as dramatic as she states. We cannot truly critique the Trump supporter because we only have the biased account of an unhinged woman. We have only a few statements from the police officer to assess how big a threat the man really was. From his statements, and lack of arrest, I would say that the Trump supporter is probably just a normal person who is tired of taking flack from entitled drama queen b!tches.

Had he done anything worthy of note, the media would be salivating for an account of the unhinged Trump supporter.

Think about it.

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

He, on the other hand, is at minimum a bit of a stalker

There we go.
She takes photos of his property and posts them online with her crazy rants....

And HE is the stalker!

Ok.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: MiddleInitial
a reply to: reldra

No, no. I wasn't making a legal argument, and neither were you. You appealed specifically to logic.

I am appealing to both. It is both illegal and not logical.

except by the cops own admission what that guy did wasn't illegal, no matter how much you want it to be (hell you've been told over and over that it isn't illegal and yet you continue to claim it was).

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

I do not defend him; I only point out the difference between supposed intent and obvious self-admitted intent.

And I do accept that some will use this to justify escalation of actions. You might notice that I never referred to his actions as 'appropriate,' but rather as 'understandable.' There is a huge difference.

But for me, I am enjoying seeing the pure hypocrisy coming out of her mouth. It emphasizes how low society has devolved and how close we are to the next stage of our society; I like realizing that my concern for self-sufficiency is going to come in so handy. No society that tolerates such hypocrisy can stand, and no society that tries to marginalize its participants can stand. While 'useless' is a term I do not care for when applied to people, my characterization for her would be more aptly described as 'ignorant.' As in, ignorant of common decency, ignorant of the importance of respect for others, and ignorant of her own blatant hypocrisy.

Among other things...

TheRedneck

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

On this comment, the only thing I regret about the title is not having her name at the time of creation.

It would say "Useless SJW, Tara Dublin, gives the finger to the wrong dude."

This is a case where I think it is important that this woman's reputation precedes her. People like this, these vile provocateurs, should be exposed. They cannot run about doing and saying whatever they wish without facing consequence.

Were the table turned, she would relish in the destruction of this Trump supporters life and reputation.

That did not happen in this case. She set a trap, then she stepped in it.

Unlike her, I will not say that she is representative of "all Hillary supporters". I don't even think she would be representative of a double digit percentage.

I have no problem dragging her through the mud, because that is what she set out to do with "until proven otherwise" an innocent man.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

I do not defend him; I only point out the difference between supposed intent and obvious self-admitted intent.

And I do accept that some will use this to justify escalation of actions. You might notice that I never referred to his actions as 'appropriate,' but rather as 'understandable.' There is a huge difference.

But for me, I am enjoying seeing the pure hypocrisy coming out of her mouth. It emphasizes how low society has devolved and how close we are to the next stage of our society; I like realizing that my concern for self-sufficiency is going to come in so handy. No society that tolerates such hypocrisy can stand, and no society that tries to marginalize its participants can stand. While 'useless' is a term I do not care for when applied to people, my characterization for her would be more aptly described as 'ignorant.' As in, ignorant of common decency, ignorant of the importance of respect for others, and ignorant of her own blatant hypocrisy.

Among other things...

TheRedneck

This is admittedly off-topic and you are a moderator, but...

With respect to your self sufficient philosophy, I am skeptical that examples like this one are somehow signs of the end. The country carried on just fine whilst marginalizing black people, Jewish people, gay people, Catholic people, Irish people. Throughout the years there were plenty of tolerated hypocrites running hither and yon. Thomas Jefferson spoke of freedom for all while arguing that only wealthy (landed) white men should be allowed to vote. Somehow we made it through, even managing to separate baby from bathwater . I do think the fact that people (here, on Facebook, everywhere) substitute memes and videos lacking context for real conversations is an ill portending, though. Mature dialog among those who are prone to disagree seems a scarce thing indeed. I complemented you recently in another thread for highlighting the criticality of compromise compellingly enough to give the OP pause. I would suggest that such compromise is the fruit of a process that starts with opposed individuals entertaining healthy dialog without lowering themselves to insult or deception and I fear the roots of that tree are withering.

originally posted by: JohnnyElohim

originally posted by: Bobaganoosh
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

That is correct. This aspect of internet culture has existed since before Trump even had an army of supporters.

This woman allegedly was employed, all be it for a short period of time, as a social media analyst. I find it highly unlikely that she had no expectation of ridicule from the online community.

She disturbed a hornets nest and subsequently got swarmed.

There is a reason that this very moral lesson has been told in children's stories for centuries.

Denying such a lesson out of disdain for its origins does not make the lesson any less relevant.

That's interesting. Can you imagine if we raised children this way? When the sister says something snotty to the brother and he punches her in the face, we discipline only she who "started it" and hold back critique for he who brought it up a notch?

You don't think she's the one taking it up a notch? She went to the Police Station to **** their **** up according to her Twitter. Then she asked the officer get sensitivity training. She posted pictures of the guys house as well as trashing him for his past alleged record of some sort. She's been proven to trash the neighbors on social media before (see page 25 post) using racial slurs. She's taken it up, not a notch, but a whole mountain. That mountain is falling in on her due to her own actions. Deservedly so.

She won't stop until she loses her kid for acting in an unhealthy manner.

I hope she gets mental health treatment before that happens.

a reply to: Bobaganoosh

He did exactly what is clearly evidenced: he followed her around the city in his vehicle because she had given him the finger. Your choice of words is revealing. Can you not discuss the people involved without dismissive pejoratives?

a reply to: thepixelpusher

I'm referring specifically to stalking someone who has given you the finger. I don't admire her for doing it but I don't think physical intimidation was the right response. Subsequent escalation has occurred because she feels the officer mishandled it. I do expect there will be a bit more media in the picture in the near future, so it'll be interesting to see what can be confirmed and denied.

originally posted by: JohnnyElohim
a reply to: thepixelpusher

I'm referring specifically to stalking someone who has given you the finger. I don't admire her for doing it but I don't think physical intimidation was the right response. Subsequent escalation has occurred because she feels the officer mishandled it. I do expect there will be a bit more media in the picture in the near future, so it'll be interesting to see what can be confirmed and denied.

No intimidation involved. Why would you use that word? He merely followed her to get picture of her license plate. She admitted as such to the cop. Her assessment of him ramming at her is subjective and we don't have endless videos of the guy droning on about this like she has. Unless you have his side of the story we don't know the full truth do we?

The next media attention will either be a lawsuit against her for cyber bullying or her kid being taken away from her and given to the ex-husband. She needs therapy if a yard sign makes her so upset. The supposed supporters on Twitter, part of #teamtara, are really only there to watch her fight, not help her.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher

originally posted by: JohnnyElohim
a reply to: thepixelpusher

I'm referring specifically to stalking someone who has given you the finger. I don't admire her for doing it but I don't think physical intimidation was the right response. Subsequent escalation has occurred because she feels the officer mishandled it. I do expect there will be a bit more media in the picture in the near future, so it'll be interesting to see what can be confirmed and denied.

No intimidation involved. Why would you use that word? He merely followed her to get picture of her license plate. She admitted as such to the cop. Her assessment of him ramming at her is subjective and we don't have endless videos of the guy droning on about this like she has. Unless you have his side of the story we don't know the full truth do we?

I find that position disingenuous. Nearly everyone I know would be intimidated in such circumstances, particularly the women I know. Thankfully, most of them have the wisdom not to provoke people. He merely followed her to get a picture of her license plate? For two miles? Her assessment is subjective, but whatever his claimed motivation was can be taken at face value? Right.

a reply to: amicktd

Well said and spot on.