The credibility of the alien agendas

Hello lovers of ETs 👽
My name is Andre and I am a skeptic when it comes to most malevolent/benevolent plans executed against humanity by intelligent beings from other worlds/dimensions. My skepticism comes from the place of my mind which suggests that the whole UFO movement(at least 99 %) is one big prank done by some of the biggest intelligence agencies, originating from Earth. I see, here on ATS there are some people who would strongly disagree with me. Thus I would be grateful if we can discuss this difference in opinions, about the stories of the alien movement and if they have credibility at all.

Thus my question is: Believers, what is your most valid theory on alien interaction with humanity? What is happening with Earth, right now, in your opinion? Please share, maybe I can learn something.

a reply to: Argentbenign

My skepticism comes from the place of my mind which suggests that the whole UFO movement(at least 99 %) is one big prank done by some of the biggest intelligence agencies, originating from Earth.
I see, here on ATS there are some people who would strongly disagree with me.

And there are others who would wholeheartedly agree with you and add that the other 1% are likely explainable as terrestrial in origin , that doesn't mean they can't be extraterrestrial but the likelihood is infinitesimally small that they originate from out there.

a reply to: Argentbenign

From my personal experience, and what I've studied, I think many UFO's are legitimately mysterious and not easily explained away by "secret government technology".

I think the "orbs" UFOs, and the snake-like UFOs are both some type of extra-dimensional entity and may not actually be "crafts" as many would believe.

Seeing the way many of the orb UFOs are able to take sharp turns at very high speeds, move in silence, combine or break off into smaller pieces, these characteristics suggest to me that they are not being "manned", and are instead, living things in themselves.. OR perhaps they are some sort of extradimensional creatures (what some ancient religions might also refer to as demons or jinn).

That's just my take on the phenomena

And yes, there are many hoaxes and a lot can be explained away as NOT being some supernatural thing. But the exceptions are what I'm talking about

a reply to: Argentbenign

I thinks it's possible that aliens are pranking us and our military it's humiliating, there's nothing the military can do about these space trolls and as a result try to cover it up to hide their embarrassment and impotency against a group of beings that think they and the rest of us are a fun social experiment worth poking now and again for the luls.

a reply to: Argentbenign

Imo, Kinda like this experiment:

Fruit flies in a jar

God forbid we should invent a 'benevolent' AI beforehand that sees us as a 'plague' they can 'cure'.
Even then I think there will be some kind of outside intervention, just prior to total extermination, either by our own hand or some invention of ours.

a reply to: Argentbenign


The problem with this continuing type of thread, is that it totally, totally, ignores over a half of a century, plus, of data and information about the UFOs and wants to start with a clean slate. As of right now, I'm too busy to give you an education when you have the option of educating yourself...or not. I can't do it for you.

The UFO issue is a lot more complex than you suggest. There is no one answer. Surely there is some disinfo involved. People like Richard Doty have admitted it. But there are quite a few people who simply exploit the issue for their own purposes, usually of financial or personal gain. These people aren't "official." And there is even the possibility that whatever is going on is deceiving us. Jacques Vallee, one of the most erudite writers on UFOs, said in "Messengers of Deception" that we are experiencing a phenomenon that wants us to believe it's "aliens from space."

The fact is we tend to perceive UFOs according to our cultural values, We are a near space-faring culture. We've sent probes to all the planets and landed on a few. We've got satellites orbiting Mars and the Moon. We've got a lot of science fiction from Star Trek to Dune fantasizing about traveling between stars. As a result, we tend to see "aliens from space." But in times past, before we developed such a culture, we saw faeries and demons because those sorts of things were in the public mind set.

We need to be skeptical about UFOs because there is a lot of fraud out there, but we needn't be naively so. There may be some truth to it, but it is unlikely to be the kind of truth those who purport to "know" are telling us. The one thing you can be sure of is to never take anything at face value in this field. It is always more complex than it seems.

originally posted by: schuyler
Jacques Vallee, one of the most erudite writers on UFOs, said in "Messengers of Deception" that we are experiencing a phenomenon that wants us to believe it's "aliens from space."

I've always found Vallee impossible to concentrate on; something about his writing is like listening to a foreign accent one can't fathom.

Would you be able to synopsize what he's trying to tell us in a few sentences? I'm really asking, not trolling.

originally posted by: schuyler
The UFO issue is a lot more complex than you suggest. There is no one answer. Surely there is some disinfo involved. People like Richard Doty have admitted it. But there are quite a few people who simply exploit the issue for their own purposes, usually of financial or personal gain. These people aren't "official." And there is even the possibility that whatever is going on is deceiving us. Jacques Vallee, one of the most erudite writers on UFOs, said in "Messengers of Deception" that we are experiencing a phenomenon that wants us to believe it's "aliens from space."

The fact is we tend to perceive UFOs according to our cultural values, We are a near space-faring culture. We've sent probes to all the planets and landed on a few. We've got satellites orbiting Mars and the Moon. We've got a lot of science fiction from Star Trek to Dune fantasizing about traveling between stars. As a result, we tend to see "aliens from space." But in times past, before we developed such a culture, we saw faeries and demons because those sorts of things were in the public mind set.

We need to be skeptical about UFOs because there is a lot of fraud out there, but we needn't be naively so. There may be some truth to it, but it is unlikely to be the kind of truth those who purport to "know" are telling us. The one thing you can be sure of is to never take anything at face value in this field. It is always more complex than it seems.

It's true, generally speaking these are interpreted as aliens from outer space. I've read Vallee's books, also Hunt for the Skinwalker. Both point to this phenomena as possibly being something else entirely.

originally posted by: SentientCentenarian

originally posted by: schuyler
Jacques Vallee, one of the most erudite writers on UFOs, said in "Messengers of Deception" that we are experiencing a phenomenon that wants us to believe it's "aliens from space."

I've always found Vallee impossible to concentrate on; something about his writing is like listening to a foreign accent one can't fathom.

Would you be able to synopsize what he's trying to tell us in a few sentences? I'm really asking, not trolling.

I agree his stuff is hard to read. He's cryptic. His academic style isn't conducive to easy understanding, and I don't pretend to understand fully what he is trying to say. As to what he is saying, what I said above is a start. He seems to look at UFOs from a standpoint of folklore, showing how the phenomenon is "the same" as that found in folklore traditions. He also relies on religious traditions and seem to be saying some of this is religious in nature or that people are responding that way with Cargo Cults and secret traditions that incorporate UFO lore.

I believe he is being cagey because he is, after all, an academic with a reputation to consider. But what he is REALLY trying to say is that whomever is staging these UFO events is NOT "from outer space" but from right here, and that there may be an inter-dimensional aspect to it. In other words, I believe he espouses the IDH instead of the ETH, but he's not coming right out and saying it. Although he touches on conspiracy theory as history, he's not sating TPTB/NWO is the cause of this at all. He thinks there is a "phenomenon" that is "not-us." It's worth noting that he hasn't published in the UFO field for a number of years, though he will occasionally give interviews. I believe he grew tired of the "crazies" in the field and decided to withdraw to save himself.

It's possible the otherworlders have seeded our planet with various human races, and are willing to get tabs on us --- including subtle warnings against the use of nuclear weapons and fission atomic power plants --- Along with encouragement [by example of there wonderful flying machines] into fusion power research and the promise of FTL technology, in reference to earthling eyewitness sightings of said interstellar capable starships in our atmosphere --- Not to mention our planet being a distant way station in our galaxy for replenishment of food, fuel and fresh water stocks.

- Non-human beings

- Technology beyond imagination

- At least since the 40's

99% what?

a reply to: Argentbenign
Proof:

Personally, I think if there are any... There's a strong possibility that we're in a Test Tube. That's One train of thought.

Experienced it.

Know that everyone on earth gets checkups, though most don't remember them, it would interfere with their tests, or they're not questioning things strongly enough. Everyone, even the skeptics.

a reply to: Argentbenign
Not sure if this situation was only EA*RTH technologies related...

Definitely a hybrid type program going on, maybe for their benefit, maybe for ours. Maybe that's the only way to save the earth. I don't believe the ufo/abduction phenomenon is going away any time soon. There's way way too much abduction testimonies to dismiss. We probably have evolved in many ways because of them and don't even know it. It might sound strange to say , but I can feel more and more now days, why else would you of started a thread about it.