The Real Story Behind Pepe The Frog

a reply to: saintdopeium

I apologize for my contribution in things going off topic, but also put forth that I've also posted a lot on topic too. Many of the on topic stuff also may not have happened without the off topic stuff.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: saintdopeium

I apologize for my contribution in things going off topic, but also put forth that I've also posted a lot on topic too. Many of the on topic stuff also may not have happened without the off topic stuff.

I'm not sure anything we did or didn't do was "off topic."

The OP posted a fun story about some cultural echoes around the "Pepe Meme" ... we not only demonstrated the power such things have to inspire "sides" in an argument, but also, managed to pull in some associated themes, that, as you say, probably wouldn't have popped up.

IMO

a reply to: Gryphon66

The associated themes thing was fun. See we can get along sometimes. Did you see what I said about the frog being a symbol of the devil from your wikilink? Another connection between D&D and a frog through Christian demonization of it.

Can we start placing bets when this meme will be banned under a Hillary administration?

a reply to: Puppylove

Accepted, but no apologies needed. You tread in a direction that I was afraid to go but you encouraged more conversation. I just wanted to encourage it a bit more.

I'm interested in the connection between the devil and frogs btw. Any more information on those connections? This whole conspiracy could take a David Icke-ian turn at some point. I was kindof expecting it as I read through the cult of Kek history.

Witches were often thought to keep toads and frogs as familiars in medieval Europe that sucked blood from them at skin tags and moles.

Book of Revelations, the Beast spews evil spirits in the form of frogs from its mouth: Rev. 16:13.

Arguably, I suppose, you could say that anything that anthropomorphizes an animal could be seen as creating a "graven image" (humans being created in the "image of God") and thus be against the Torah/Ten Commandments.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: SargonThrall

The third glyph on the statuette pictured above is for "h" or "Hh" right? A candle wick?

Perhaps easily confused (or not) with Heka, the deification of "magic force" or to "use or burn the Ka":

Not to add to the conspiratorialness going on around this but Hh (Yes, I understand it is only H but represents upper and lower cases) is kind of white supremacyish, right? 88=HH=Heil Hitler...

You knew that of course...

a reply to: Jonjonj

Well, I had not thought of the "88" connection ... but if you squint at the Hh-hieroglyph just right, you might see a representation of the Norse Rune Othala, which has long been a symbol of the homeland/nation or Volk.

a reply to: Gryphon66
You're reaching here. It is the first symbol, not third. Do not forget Egyptian is read in different directions.

And it is not a candle wick. It is twisted flax, which was noted in the post which you quoted. It is not HH, just H, it appears that your source just decided to write both written cases. The symbol H was not mistaken for heka, which is literally just an H on top of a K(a). They were implying they thought it looked like a physical depiction of magic. It was just the author not understanding something mundane. Note that they also thought a hillside was a computer, and a woman was a man. And while we're at it, that Heket was Kuk.





a reply to: saintdopeium
Indeed, it is interesting, but it seems more of a case of misinformation being proffered and then enthusiasm overtaking any rational sensibility. Once the rumor spreads it gains speed. There are a lot of holes in their theory, but they believe anyway. But that's religion for you.

To the best of my knowledge frogs never had anything to do with the devil, but certainly with witches. You will notice:

In Egypt the frog was most commonly associated with the goddess Heket (or Heqet), the goddess of fertility and childbirth who assisted Isis in her ritual to resurrect Osiris. Heket is depicted as a frog-shaped goddess, whose priestesses trained as midwives. They wore amulets, jewellery and other ornaments that bore her image. Frog shaped knives placed on to the bellies of pregnant women and newborn babies were believed to protect their youngsters. Frogs in general were so important to the early Egyptians they were often embalmed after death.

Heket is far more of a frog god than Kuk. I believe Kuk was only a frog because the primordial gods, living in chaos (represented by water) had to be water creatures. Hence frogs and snakes. Many people are unaware that snakes can swim:

a reply to: SargonThrall

Here's a much better example. Them are some serious swimmers.


But, since snakes are reptiles, they are evil.

a reply to: SargonThrall

Yep. Thanks for reminding me about reading order.

However, the H(h) glyph ... are you sure it's "twisted flax" rather than a candle wick?

I'd be the first to admit that I'm no Egyptologist ... but ... sources.

WIck (h hieroglyph) Wikipedia

also here: Transliteration of Ancient Egyptian Signs



I certainly agree that the initial representation of the person at the computer screen was bollocks, and moreso that the three glyphs on the questionable frog statuette are merely the name Heket.

a reply to: Gryphon66
We need Byrd, or Marduk.
Someone should tell them about this discussion. But it aint' gonna be me.

>Sargon (no offense, second opinion, etc)

a reply to: saintdopeium

Fort myers Trump rally had text 88022 and a black guy with a black shirt that said sw00sh

a reply to: randomthoughts12

Yikes!


(is that bad)

a reply to: Gryphon66
It turns out we are both correct! It is twisted flax, commonly used as a candle wick:

I should stick to Mesopotamia.

a reply to: DBCowboy

can we start placing bets that if trump gets elected lololol that theyre wil be brownshirts in the streets whether trump sents them or not becas u know lots of white power support him even if some dont

originally posted by: SargonThrall
a reply to: Gryphon66
It turns out we are both correct! It is twisted flax, commonly used as a candle wick:

I should stick to Mesopotamia.

Nope, you were right, I was just repeating what I saw. I meant to make the post about "twisting flax wick" before I retired last evening, but, alas ...

Now, with that out of the way, LOL.

Were we able to establish if that frog statuette was ancient or a modern imitation?

a reply to: Puppylove

I hear Pepe might be a tulpa introduced into the human consciousness, some other entities initiating it, setting it in motion. Some entity or group of entities are stoking the fire. We are probably dealing with some nationalistic sect of Japanese Kappas that are bent on political domination in the human sphere.. they're rooting for some kind of racial holy war.

Other memes may also be thought of within this same framework. Thoughts permeating the environment and the collective consciousness. So it could happen naturally but this process could also be tapped into and be controlled and directed or redirected in various fashions, this is the invisible war of human culture. The invisible influences that the modern World does not acknowledge or take into account. A similar example would be a negative entity introducing itself to a select group of people and feeding on a situation like the Slender Man and possibly Freddie Krueger.

Interesting this is. The time is pregnant.. soon all the conditions needed for our most powerful magick will be met.

a reply to: saintdopeium

well Terrence Mckenna always did say the best "meme" wins

Dunno 'bout all the egyptian stuff... But with modern politics reacting to a takeover conspiracy by a bunch of trolling frogs, I think of these two characters...



Of course the audience that gets this joke is probably limited. I suspect many in the meme circles will get it though.