NYPD can’t count cash they’ve seized because it would crash computers

As they are already allowed to investigate themselves in criminal investigation's, this is no big surprise. Smfh

a reply to: tothetenthpower

from the article

" Even with the system, however, the NYPD's Assistant Deputy Commissioner Robert Messner told the New York City Council's Public Safety Committee that the department had no idea how much money it took in as evidence, nor did it have a way of reporting how much was seized through civil forfeiture proceedings—where property and money is taken from people suspected of involvement in a crime through a civil filing, and the individuals whom it is seized from are put in the position of proving that the property was not involved in the crime of which they were accused.

so they claim they cant tell the difference between an open or shut file/prosecution....

give me a break, the Commissioner and the PS committee must be feeding out of the same "un allocated" trough of loot/cash

If you or I said we can not add up the cash we made in the last 4 years. We go to jail. Tax! IRS! So will the keep records from now? No way....

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Guys, guys...this is just code-speak for...

"If we actually had to count all dis dough, and log it in, den we couldn't STEAL it as easy, capiche, and (GASP)...we could be held accountable for it for cripes sakes!! I mean, we've got mistresses on da side we gotta care for, and payments on da Mercedes and da shore house, and, and, and... We gotta' file a grievance wit da Union on dis! Dis just won't do! Jeezus, are you nuts, buddy??? Fuh'geddaboudit already, will ya!!"

C'mon!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Or it could be "since our systems are real time systems, trying to generate a detailed report for 50k + employees / officers would cause the system to implode, taking it offline and not allowing any information in this area to be entered into the system".

The information is in the system.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That's a croc of you know what deeper than even I can shovel! And right down the street there's this place called "Wall Street" where the can account for every single cent invested since the beginning of computers (and even before), literally SEPTILLIONS of dollars, in a single microsecond! Anyone who believes that hogwash for an excuse needs their head examined!

I work in information systems electronics, and it doesn't take a super-computer to account for a few million dollars, billions even. Any system which would implode under such circumstances needs to find an IT team better than 5th graders to keep their stuff running! What an absolute load of completely unadulterated rubbish!!

There must be some really, REALLY, gullible people out there to believe a BS story like this!!!

Unbelievable!!!

"It's all in there, but we just can't report on it"...yeah, riiiiiiiight!!

I've got some oceanfront property for sale in Iowa too for any suckers who buy that story!!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Its not and it is what the article is talking about. Sorry it doesnt fit in with your attempt to demonize the police.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Or it could be "since our systems are real time systems, trying to generate a detailed report for 50k + employees / officers would cause the system to implode, taking it offline and not allowing any information in this area to be entered into the system".

The information is in the system.

I call BS on this.

Having been in middle management through executive level using immense data sets, Its nearly impossible for me to understand how they are not able to handle data entry and data query simultaneously. The only thing I can think of is that they have severely outdated systems.

Which is really just a lousy excuse. The cash is there in civil forfeiture to upgrade the systems, at the very least so that a central office has terminal access to query the database for daily reporting (like a bank would do....daily closing the books).

If they are willing to accept loose and fast accountability with items seized without due process, how do I know they won't accept similar lame excuses for incompetence in other areas of their operation?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Not really if you have ever use a law enforcement system and understand the requirements for them. As for out of date - yes. On top of that you will have ad-hoc programs added into the system thats not 100% fully compatible. As an example I gave a couple pages back a large department near me has had issues where one error haws crashed the entire system, taking out the report system, evidence logging, property logging / release and knocked out the MDT's in the cars. Thats for a department of just 300+ officers. The NYPD has over 50k and are broken down into precincts that covers millions of citizens.

I have seen and experienced these issues first hand. There is more that goes along with a law enforcement system that basic data processing.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That's just CAPITAL BS!!! Seriously!

You are making excuses for a very corrupt and broken system! They don't want new systems...what they want is an excuse to rip off the taxpaying public, plain and simple!!! (and the ability to hide behind some simplistic excuse, union regulations and other utterly rubbish reasons to effect their GRAFT!!)

I challenge you to illustrate even a single example of the nonsense excuses of which you speak!! Just a single example!!!

I'm waiting!

P.S. Complete nonsense and rubbish!!

P.S.S. I too work in law enforcement systems (which is why this is such an absolute JOKE) as well as aviation systems!!! If we lose data, or are unable to report on it...HEADS ROLL!!! PERIOD!

Laughable...truly LAUGHABLE!!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
I hear the reasons, and I get it. Databases are finite, and queries to said database are finite as well.

SQL Server 2008R2, 2012 and 2014 have maximum capacity of 524 PB (Petabyte) in the Enterprise, BI and Standard edition. SQL Server Express has a limitation of 10 GB due to its nature. I guess, now when you look at my question it will make sense that it is all depending on the size of your storage system.

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There is not nearly enough money on the whole planet to even scratch on that limit in any way ;-)

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Its not and it is what the article is talking about. Sorry it doesnt fit in with your attempt to demonize the police.

Oh please the police force reeks of corruption, this little story is only the tip if the ice berg and you know it......

a reply to: Xcathdra

I mean, seriously...you can't really be serious are you???? Honestly, we keep track of, and report on, tens of millions of dollars on a daily basis! We can do it with simple XL spreadsheets, no elaborate backend database required!!

This is the biggest, most massive, load of absolute BS imaginable!!!! In fact, I'd even suggest this is the biggest load of "accidental underwear filling exrement" ever posted here on ATS!!!

UN-BELIEVABLE!!!

a reply to: Xcathdra

This is where the force has a fiduciary duty to account. If they cannot, then how can they justify the civil forfeiture law being continued?

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maybes its time to upgrade that zx spectrum or commodore 64, i hear the amiga has a calculator.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Xcathdra

This is where the force has a fiduciary duty to account. If they cannot, then how can they justify the civil forfeiture law being continued?

The NYPD can account for its expenditures. The issue is compiling a report on cash seized as evidence / forfeiture. In this case the city council wants a complete report across the entire department and the system in place is not able to produce it.

You guys can think what you will and no amount of in-depth explanation from me is going to change peoples minds. Law Enforcement systems are not your standard database setup and its not as simple as some think when it comes to report generation.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I don't accept excuses from subordinates who claim incompetence. I don't accept those excuses from myself. I certainly cannot accept them from an armed government agency.

Sometimes you have to spend hours compiling the datapoints you need to generate the reports that are your duty to complete. I assert that if they cannot account for, they shouldn't be allowed to seize it. Sounds to me like they have their hands full fumbling around with just tracking evidence.

Their expenditures should be accounted for. As well as the property that was seized from citizens. Were I a cop in NYPD, this report would be confirmation that the forfeitures were easy pickings.

a reply to: Xcathdra

You guys can think what you will and no amount of in-depth explanation from me is going to change peoples minds. Law Enforcement systems are not your standard database setup and its not as simple as some think when it comes to report generation.

What does that even mean ?

Your systems were made in 70s and were not designed for the vast amounts of information being processed in this day and age....seriously.....you are supposed to be a government agency in charge of no less than the law....