Assange's mental, physical health deteriorating under embassy confinement – medical records

a reply to: paraphi

Im not convinced he is a sexual predator, its all a little too convenient ......he is a wanted man and they will do whatever they can to get him even if it includes fabricating crimes.....in saying that if he did rape this woman then yeah he needs to face the music ......

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

So Assange's has been living in the Ecuadorian embassy for 5 years or. Is that now in some way supposed in infer that the experience impacts on his capability to be objectives in his assessment of various events that happen in the world. Is it being inferred that this residency in the embassy is affecting is judgement?

Did being in prison, which I would guess is much worse than living in an embassy, affect the judgement and objectivity of Nelson Mandela?

Did living in the Gulags of Russia for 20 years affect the judgement and objectivity of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

Funny how this get said right in the middle of the hot spot in the US presidential elections process.

just more election BS I'm afraid - not worth a cracker of importance.

Wow. Somehow, I am always stunned at the lack of compassion in some people. They are simply unable to put themselves in another's shoes and infer what they are feeling. It's all about you, for people like you.

How would you know what prison is like? How would you know what it's like to be confined for years? You think that because it's in an embassy and not a prison cell, where at least, by US law, he would have to get outside once a day? You think that the lack of access to a doctor and/or dentist wouldn't negatively affect your life?

It's simply shameful how cruel some people are. And we wonder why we are in this kind of mess, all you have to do is find a freaking mirror. For shame.

originally posted by: nomoredemsorreps

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

So Assange's has been living in the Ecuadorian embassy for 5 years or. Is that now in some way supposed in infer that the experience impacts on his capability to be objectives in his assessment of various events that happen in the world. Is it being inferred that this residency in the embassy is affecting is judgement?

Did being in prison, which I would guess is much worse than living in an embassy, affect the judgement and objectivity of Nelson Mandela?

Did living in the Gulags of Russia for 20 years affect the judgement and objectivity of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

Funny how this get said right in the middle of the hot spot in the US presidential elections process.

just more election BS I'm afraid - not worth a cracker of importance.

Wow. Somehow, I am always stunned at the lack of compassion in some people. They are simply unable to put themselves in another's shoes and infer what they are feeling. It's all about you, for people like you.

How would you know what prison is like? How would you know what it's like to be confined for years? You think that because it's in an embassy and not a prison cell, where at least, by US law, he would have to get outside once a day? You think that the lack of access to a doctor and/or dentist wouldn't negatively affect your life?

It's simply shameful how cruel some people are. And we wonder why we are in this kind of mess, all you have to do is find a freaking mirror. For shame.

Seems I gave you the wrong end of the stick.

I was merely making the point that living in an embassy is not the end of the world and while it would take its toll on anyone including me, one can still function effectively and efficiently and do good quality work. Many people do live in less opulent surroundings and continue their work.

When I was younger, and Im embarrassed to admit this, I worked away from home a lot over a period of about 10 years. During that time i was always very homesick for my mum.

While I could not wait until I went home, and this situation continued on from when I in my early 20's until I was in my late 20,s early 30's, I still managed to do it and save enough to build a house for myself. I hated the entire time and it was a very lonely existence and cost me a social life (what is that?) and girls, (it was always a men only environment) but I did it.

Julian Assange will do it too and being the political animal he is, he will do it perhaps not with ease but with a desire to never want to do it again.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Im not convinced he is a sexual predator, its all a little too convenient ......he is a wanted man and they will do whatever they can to get him even if it includes fabricating crimes.....in saying that if he did rape this woman then yeah he needs to face the music ......

Without being questioned and allowed to formally outline his view of what happened within the Swedish judicial process, we will never know whether he's the victim of false accusations, or a man who committed a serious sexual assault. Is it unbelievable that a man can rape a woman? Is it unbelievable that a man people love can be a man who rapes women? It would not be the first time.

It all boils down to whether Swedish justice is capable of demonstrating that it can resolve this issue fairly. There is no evidence that Swedish justice will treat Assange any differently from any other person accused of a sex crime. There is also no evidence that the Swedes will hand him over to the US either. That's just an excuse.

The fact is an innocent man would want to prove his innocence. Why is Assange so afraid ton face his accusers?

A paranoid megalomanic with a god delusion - not sure his mental health was that good before he chose of his own free will to imprison himself in the Ecuador embassy!

originally posted by: paraphi
It all boils down to whether Swedish justice is capable of demonstrating that it can resolve this issue fairly. There is no evidence that Swedish justice will treat Assange any differently from any other person accused of a sex crime. There is also no evidence that the Swedes will hand him over to the US either. That's just an excuse.

The fact is an innocent man would want to prove his innocence. Why is Assange so afraid ton face his accusers?

Certainly in the US and UK, no-one has to prove their innocence. Everyone is innocent until proven otherwise, and prosecutors have to prove their guilt.

Assange isn't (as far as anyone can tell) specifically afraid of facing justice in Sweden for whatever crimes he is said to have committed (another subject entirely).

What he's afraid of is being extradited to the US where he has been the subject of a massive and high-level criminal investigation for some time. The US hasn't filed for extradition yet, but that's only because Assange isn't in Swedish custody yet so it's not procedurally possible.

(There's no point in trying to extradite him from Ecuadorian terrirory, because the US-Ecuador extradition treaty has an exemption for political offenders, which is why Assange went to that embassy to begin with).

The only assurance the Swedes have given is that they would not extradite someone to a country where that person would face the death penalty. This is a baited trap. All the US needs to do is start extradition proceedings with a guarantee that prosecutors will not seek the death penalty in Asssange's case and he can be handed over by Sweden with clean hands more or less immediately.

It's true that an attempt to extradite Assange would need UK approval. Do you honestly think that the UK is going to stand up to Uncle Sam on handing over someone complicit in a top-level breach of security? Really? Did you catch the Laurie Love case last week?

You're right to point out that the wheels of extradition law have not yet begun to turn, but the requirement for them to start turning is Assange's arrest. And if you think that they wouldn't start turning the moment Assange left his sanctuary, I've got a bridge to sell you.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Aazadan

He violated the espionage act and several other federal laws and its not relevant if he was in the US a the time of said crimes or not. Manning was not in the US when he broke the law either. Because there was more tha one person you have conspiracy. He provided Manning with the program that helped him avoid the computer protocols designed to detect and stop the sending of classified material.

Whoopdy doo. It was in the best interests for humanity that those documents got released.

Jesus Christ I hate lawyers, so blinded by the immediate law in front of them that they miss the bigger picture completely.

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
A paranoid megalomanic with a god delusion - not sure his mental health was that good before he chose of his own free will to imprison himself in the Ecuador embassy!

So I take it you then agree with government agencies invading everyone's privacy, logging all communications and tracking people wherever they go - innocent or not.

Wow. Just go away from this planet please, I do not wish to live a life like that and neither does the majority of human beings in this world.

originally posted by: Azureblue


I was merely making the point that living in an embassy is not the end of the world and while it would take its toll on anyone including me, one can still function effectively and efficiently and do good quality work. Many people do live in less opulent surroundings and continue their work.

Did you have access to things like dental treatment (which Assange does not)? Have you ever had a cracked infected tooth? Have you ever experienced the sheer agony that damaged teeth can inflict on a human being? The lack of sleep, the constant agony, the being unable to think, etc etc?

Clearly you havent or you would retract everything you said about it being "Easy" for him.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Azureblue


I was merely making the point that living in an embassy is not the end of the world and while it would take its toll on anyone including me, one can still function effectively and efficiently and do good quality work. Many people do live in less opulent surroundings and continue their work.

Did you have access to things like dental treatment (which Assange does not)? Have you ever had a cracked infected tooth? Have you ever experienced the sheer agony that damaged teeth can inflict on a human being? The lack of sleep, the constant agony, the being unable to think, etc etc?

Clearly you havent or you would retract everything you said about it being "Easy" for him.

For what its worth I had all those things because I mum just did not have the money to pay for such things. She was in danger of having some of us kids taken off her by the child welfare department. But anyway thats all by the bye. sure he's doing it hard but many have had it worse. Julain Assange will pull through, we aussies are a tough bunch.

cheers

a reply to: paraphi

I would bet my life on that if Snowden was in Swedish custody and the US demanded that Swedish authorities handed over they woulnd't dare to say no. We even let Nato submarines roam freely in our waters and happily sweep it under the rug to not offend the US and Nato. And with the current Russian threat, you better stay on the good side of your powerful friends.

Saying no to handing him over to the US if so was demanded? Its not even a remote possibility.

Well, with Hillary's assassins trying to kill him on a regular basis, I think one could forgive him for staying put....

I think the last attempt was just about a month or so ago....

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

hello huh