Best American President and Why?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: luthier
Well for starters their domestic policy is very different. Individual rights, economics, and social policies all very different. From healthcare, abortion, and yes monetary policy all very different. Taxation is a broad and vague subject..

I said their main domestic policy which was tax cuts, that would be economic. Keendy appointed Justice White to the Supreme Court who wrote the dissent in Roe v. Wade, additionally, abortion was not the hot button topic it is today.

You are attributing aspects to Kennedy which did not exist.

And no the cia used was not remotely the same.

Kennedy created the blueprint for the CIA's covert use for foreign policy, this is not open for dispute. You really need to stop your attempts at historical revision. He had them in every corner of the globe further United States agendas.

Their domestic tax policy was not similar. Kennedy believed in taxing the top and lessoning as you go down.

Also their main domestic policies were not the same or both economic. Kennedy had a huge social issue to navigate.

Second Kenedy did not create the spread of the cia FDR did. Infact the whole cia coup in Iran was nearly a decade prior. His joint chiefs who were drafting up false flags like blowing up a us plane to invade cuba were from Eisenhower, and the defense chief cancelled a rediculous amount of these suggetions....

Reagan was designed from kennedy and purely a reproduction that could be manipulated..

You have no idea how much "peer pressure" Kennedy had from so many places. The cia and fbi were already largely funded for a covert war on communism well before JFK. He actually is one of the only people to try and restrain them and foriegn lobbiest. Ben Gurian was holding him hostage threatening nuclear war unless he gets aid. Kennedy was the last person to try and address Israel building nukes. The vietnam war, racial civil rights unrest, lots of special interests, christian right atracking him. He had backbone and sure wasnt perfect but dont compare Reagan to the same situations. We can go point for point if thats better but the two just are not similar except in massive broad terms that would encompass a lot of presidents. No he was not a far left socialist by any means. But he wasnt a christian right bible thumper. In fact they were a response to him being catholic.

And yeah abortion was a huge deal back then. It was just real not a manufactured debate that was already over.

originally posted by: luthier
Their domestic tax policy was not similar. Kennedy believed in taxing the top and lessoning as you go down.

Same as Reagan who based his tax policy on Kennedy's.

Also their main domestic policies were not the same or both economic. Kennedy had a huge social issue to navigate.

Kennedy ran on tax cuts, this is not open for debate.

Second Kenedy did not create the spread of the cia FDR did.

The CIA did not even exist then, it was the much weaker OSI. Stop making things up.

Kennedy was in the vanguard with deploying the CIA to halt the Domino Effect of which he was a staunch believer. The CIA was sent to every hotspot on the globe during his brief administration. This is also not open for debate.

You have no idea how much "peer pressure" Kennedy had from so many places.

And you do? Cut the crap. Kennedy did what he did because he wanted to, not because the CIA pressured him.

And yeah abortion was a huge deal back then. It was just real not a manufactured debate that was already over.

Not, it was not and Kennedy never addressed it in any policy speech.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The two tax policies are virtually opposite as to who was taxed.

Reagan linked himself to kennedy because his economic political idea was well recieved the actual structure of cuts is not the same pr similar. Reagan had top down cuts. Regean never intented to pay for his tax cuts (supply side)

Their healthcare policies very different.

Kennedy ran on a lot of things hardly just tax cuts thats rediculous.

And yeah he gave an entire forum on separation of church and state, which would imply he would stay out of the debate dealing with any religious issue. All his comments point toward it being up to the amwrican people but he believed would choose not to.

The cia was started and spread during Ww2. Roosevelt was a huge proponent of its idea and it was signed into place in 1949. The coup they created in Iran was im 1953. So by 1953 they had not only begun political false flags they had begun psyop research collection. The cia was created directly using german methods.


So yeah Kennedy himself did not spread the cia. It has been a policy since its inception.

What you see far less of the private wars and corperate sponsored overthrows during his presidency. He was manipulated with the fear of communism for sure but he aint a ronald reagan. Reagan was a pawn for the neocons. He used the cia for much more special interest situations.

Kennedy made mistakes. He wasnt perfect but he had an inordinate amount of problems during his presidency to deal with and if reagan was put in that same place we would have invaded cuba day one.

A Friendly Reminder:

The OP of the thread is asking for who your favorite US President was and why.

Not "Let Us Have A Debate On Why"

Please keep the topic to the OP, and have your discussions (debates) on why someone should not have a certain president as their favorite in a different thread, as those who are doing it in this thread are derailing it.....and will soon have posts removed if they do not stop it.

Again: want to argue of that president? Take it to a new thread.

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a reply to: luthier

As was pointed out above we seem to be off topic. I would be happy to show you why Kennedy and Reagan's domestic and foreign policies were very similar in many regards if you decided to create a thread regarding this.

On topic, I would most likely pick Jefferson or Madison.

Teddy Roosevelt.

Total badass.

Was giving a speech, got shot in the chest, finished speech.*

Home schooled, ended up Phi Beta Kappa and magna cum laude from Harvard.

Cowboy/sheriff, outdoorsman, soldier, NYC police commissioner, statesman, intellectual, conservationist. Started National Parks Service.

*"Takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose." -TR

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: luthier

As was pointed out above we seem to be off topic. I would be happy to show you why Kennedy and Reagan's domestic and foreign policies were very similar in many regards if you decided to create a thread regarding this.

On topic, I would most likely pick Jefferson or Madison.

Like wise except the reverse. But i felt i was just explaining why I liked Kennedy

We seem to be on the same planet my number one choice is the same. For some similar reasons with Kennedy but i guess i can't explain that either it may lead to a discussion.

I'll say it again.

Jefferson: because he was a brilliant thinker and spent a lot of time considering how to act, what the social contract is, and the importance of freedom from (of) religion and a slayer of superstitions.

5 Worst:

1) Lincoln - Started a Civil War and thus responsible for ungodly number of his people dead at the hands of his people (No, he did not free the slaves . . . that was Grant).

2) Bill Clinton - Impeached for perjury

3) Andrew Johnson - Impeached for making illegal appointment (much the same as Obama would do later)

4) FDR - He just overstayed his welcome

5) (tie) Richard Nixon - watergate & Barack Obama - producing more debt then the previous 43 presidents combined (amongst numerous other issues primarily caused by neglect)

Now . . . 5 Best

1) Teddy Roosevelt - "Speak softly and carry a big stick." - nuff said

2) Thomas Jefferson - Shaped America for what it was to become (thus the Age of Jackson, he had one Protege [Polk] become president, and another in line for the presidency but died at the Alamo [Crocket]).

3) (tie) Reagan & Kennedy - Foreign and domestic policies identical. Both greatly improved the economy and brought the country back to life by LOWERING taxes.

4) U.S. (Unconditional Surrender) Grant - he was a drunk, but He actually freed the slaves.

5) George Washington - He set the example for future presidents by voluntarily only serving two terms (this had to be made law later because of FDR). He also refused a kingship.