Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

originally posted by: UKTruth
Trump is for all Americans.

Trump is for "All Americans" that worship him...everyone else is his enemy.

If you are gullible enough to think otherwise, then there is a great "university" program I'd like to sell you on...it's expensive, but you can become a millionaire...Donald himself will teach his secrets.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

So, who's left?

That's the question that I'm asking you. YOu're damning the American public for making a decison based on what you call emotion but is in fact mostly just basic reality. Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be President of the United States. Barring some ridiculously unlikely happening. If it's an emotional choice between the two, and I'd not say that it isn't ... where is the alternative you suggest???

Or is it merely idealized?

You ask me a direct question, not the "American public" yet you deflect with hyperbole to stir emotions by talking about others decisions.

I'm not sure you're verse in formal debate logic, or even retain formal logic skills, so I'll give you a pass.

The answer to your red herring approach is people can vote for whoever they wish, my opinions won't sway anyone's choice I'm sure, since I don't resort to "Jerry Springer Tactics". / sarcasm

When people's emotions are stirred many times critical thinking goes right, out the window, hence the dog and pony show we are seeing currently on MSM, in regards to this election.

Critical thinking, and/or formal logic is not encourage nor taught in many schools, hence the need to resort to emotions for decisions. When people make decisions based purely on lower negative emotions, a large majority of the time those decision will have negative outcomes.

But what is very redeeming about what I'm seeing from this election is people are using critical thinking skills, and not becoming completely overwhelmed by emotions.

It appears that many folks are teaching themselves critical thinking tactics and using a type of formal logic without even knowing it. There seems to be a point of saturation of emotions, and ridiculous MSM propaganda then the masses start to wake up.

It is deplorable to undermine the credibility of a federal judge based on his Mexican heritage.

It is deplorable to demean a Gold Star family and propose to ban all Muslims from entering the United States.

It is deplorable for a candidate for president of a major party to kick off his campaign by labeling most Mexicans as rapists and murderers.

It is deplorable when the Justice Department feels it has to sue you a second time for racial discrimination because you didn't get the hint the first time.

It is deplorable to play footsie with David Duke, to repeatedly retweet white nationalists and false stats about black men and crime, to praise the enthusiasm of supporters who beat a homeless Hispanic man in Boston and punch a black man at rally, to say black people have a lazy trait and have them ushered off the casino floor when you show up.


It is deplorable to rise to national political prominence on the bigotry that is "birtherism," even more deplorable to have neither the character nor the courage either publicly to renounce or repeat that assertion while touting your supposed toughness as a primary reason to vote for you.

It is deplorable that the list of deplorable things done and said by the Republican nominee for president is so long it's hard and exhausting to try to remember them all.

It is deplorable that a sizable percentage of his supporters love him because of those awful things -- deplorable that they now feel it is OK to express those views in public.

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: Realtruth

Critical thinking, and/or formal logic is not encourage nor taught in many schools, hence the need to resort to emotions for decisions.

Another excellent point that bears repeating. I do believe we're 'on a roll' in this thread.

TheRedneck

Just curious...
What percentage of people voting for Hillary Clinton are 'deplorable'?
None? 50%? More? Less?

Do 'deplorable' people only vote for Trump?

Hillary says she knows the size of Trump's "Basket of Deplorables"...Does she also know the size of her own?

originally posted by: Realtruth

Critical thinking, and/or formal logic is not encourage nor taught in many schools, hence the need to resort to emotions for decisions. When people make decisions based purely on lower negative emotions, a large majority of the time those decision will have negative outcomes.

Well said and a superb articulation of principle cause of Trump's popularity amongst his base and his resultant nomination.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Just curious...
What percentage of people voting for Hillary Clinton are 'deplorable'?
None? 50%? More? Less?

Do 'deplorable' people only vote for Trump?

Hillary says she knows the size of Trump's "Basket of Deplorables"...Does she also know the size of her own?

According to you, all of them,based on your past comments, no?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm asking if Hillary knows how many 'deplorables' are voting for her.
Does she believe none? Some? What percentage?
She says she know the percentage of them voting for Trump.

If she feels it's her duty to call out these deplorable people everywhere...and she hasn't called out her own 'deplorable' supporters...just Trump's...Does this mean she feels she has NO deplorable supporters?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm asking if Hillary knows how many 'deplorables' are voting for her.
Does she believe none? Some? What percentage?
She says she know the percentage of them voting for Trump.

If she feels it's her duty to call out these deplorable people everywhere...and she hasn't called out her own 'deplorable' supporters...just Trump's...Does this mean she feels she has NO deplorable supporters?

The only things deplorable she pointed out are racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry and ethnic hatred.

Are these things deplorable or not? Are the people who practice them deplorable, or not?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm asking if Hillary knows how many 'deplorables' are voting for her.
Does she believe none? Some? What percentage?
She says she know the percentage of them voting for Trump.

If she feels it's her duty to call out these deplorable people everywhere...and she hasn't called out her own 'deplorable' supporters...just Trump's...Does this mean she feels she has NO deplorable supporters?

The only things deplorable she pointed out are racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry and ethnic hatred.

Are these things deplorable or not? Are the people who practice them deplorable, or not?

You see, she is very specific concerning the percentage of the deplorable people supporting Trump...yet says nothing about any percentage of them supporting her.

Does she feel that she has none of these deplorable people supporting her...or does she believe that anyone supporting her could not possibly be racist, sexist, homophobic...or bigoted?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Does she feel that she has none of these deplorable people supporting her...or does she believe that anyone supporting her could not possibly be racist, sexist, homophobic...or bigoted?

This is an excellent point and question, one I'm sure the Clinton speech writers did not use "critical thinking and logic", before rolling the teleprompter.

But when Ego's are concerned many times the kettle doesn't see itself as black.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm asking if Hillary knows how many 'deplorables' are voting for her.
Does she believe none? Some? What percentage?
She says she know the percentage of them voting for Trump.

If she feels it's her duty to call out these deplorable people everywhere...and she hasn't called out her own 'deplorable' supporters...just Trump's...Does this mean she feels she has NO deplorable supporters?

The only things deplorable she pointed out are racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry and ethnic hatred.

Are these things deplorable or not? Are the people who practice them deplorable, or not?

You see, she is very specific concerning the percentage of the deplorable people supporting Trump...yet says nothing about any percentage of them supporting her.

Does she feel that she has none of these deplorable people supporting her...or does she believe that anyone supporting her could not possibly be racist, sexist, homophobic...or bigoted?

Yes, very specific in the percentage. I think she might have been being hyperbolic. As I've said, I'd probably personally put the percentage much higher than that, however - anecdotal.

Are you really asking me to read Clinton's mind? I'm sure she knows that among the millions of people voting for her there are racists, sexists, et. al.

Perhaps the difference is that the leaders of such political movements (like the white nationalists or "alt right" of Spencer, et. al.) aren't gushing over Clinton's suitability for their cause.

Focus on the Family hasn't endorsed her, for example (covering the sexists and homophobes.)

So, at a guess, I'd say yes, she knows that some of her followers are "deplorables" as well.

Did you notice that last night and today she also talked about the hard-working, fair-minded folk who are supporting Mr. Trump?

What did she say about them again?

a reply to: Indigo5

What a deplorable article by a HIllary sycophant.

undermine the credibility of a federal judge based on his Mexican heritage

Not actually deplorable, but bringing up a point if he can get a impartial judge or would he have to recluse.

labeling most Mexicans as rapists and murderers

A complete misquote and media manipulation. He was speaking about illegal immigrants not all Mexicans.

It is deplorable to demean a Gold Star family

Not even close to lying Goldstar Mom's face (as well as the rest of the country) and have her followers call her crazy?

ban all Muslims from entering the United States

Lie. A proposed temporary ban from hotbed countries.

It is deplorable to play footsie with David Duke

Lie he never met or spoke to David Duke and has repeates renounced him. Unlike Hillary whom calls a KKK grand cyclops her mentor and admiring the the originator of planned parenthood aka eugenics of blacks.

It is deplorable to rise to national political prominence on the bigotry that is "birtherism,"

The one is great because it was Hillary's campaign that started birtherism.

It is deplorable that a sizable percentage of his supporters love him because of those awful things

I guess just as deplorable as Hillary's voters.


What a joke of an article. I know I put very little effort here, but I have to leave. I dont want sit here writing a huge retort , but I've seen better posts on ATS that would demolish that article.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm asking if Hillary knows how many 'deplorables' are voting for her.
Does she believe none? Some? What percentage?
She says she know the percentage of them voting for Trump.

If she feels it's her duty to call out these deplorable people everywhere...and she hasn't called out her own 'deplorable' supporters...just Trump's...Does this mean she feels she has NO deplorable supporters?

The only things deplorable she pointed out are racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry and ethnic hatred.

Are these things deplorable or not? Are the people who practice them deplorable, or not?

You see, she is very specific concerning the percentage of the deplorable people supporting Trump...yet says nothing about any percentage of them supporting her.

Does she feel that she has none of these deplorable people supporting her...or does she believe that anyone supporting her could not possibly be racist, sexist, homophobic...or bigoted?

So, at a guess, I'd say yes, she knows that some of her followers are "deplorables" as well.

I think so, as well.
So it begs the question...Why doesn't she call out her own deplorables?
Since she hasn't...and only called out Trump's...it really does appear that she is willing to accept deplorable behavior...as long as those 'deplorables' are willing to give her money and votes.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm asking if Hillary knows how many 'deplorables' are voting for her.
Does she believe none? Some? What percentage?
She says she know the percentage of them voting for Trump.

If she feels it's her duty to call out these deplorable people everywhere...and she hasn't called out her own 'deplorable' supporters...just Trump's...Does this mean she feels she has NO deplorable supporters?

The only things deplorable she pointed out are racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry and ethnic hatred.

Are these things deplorable or not? Are the people who practice them deplorable, or not?

You see, she is very specific concerning the percentage of the deplorable people supporting Trump...yet says nothing about any percentage of them supporting her.

Does she feel that she has none of these deplorable people supporting her...or does she believe that anyone supporting her could not possibly be racist, sexist, homophobic...or bigoted?

So, at a guess, I'd say yes, she knows that some of her followers are "deplorables" as well.

I think so, as well.
So it begs the question...Why doesn't she call out her own deplorables?
Since she hasn't...and only called out Trump's...it really does appear that she is willing to accept deplorable behavior...as long as those 'deplorables' are willing to give her money and votes.

So what did she say about the fair-minded, hard-working people who are voting for Trump again?

I hate to think you've missed that, so I'll quote it again for you ...

...that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't reven really matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well

EDIT: Here. Before I'm cited for plagarism, The Washington Post citing Ruby Cramer's Twitter

EDIT: Also Ruby Cramer's Tweet as noted

a reply to: Gryphon66

Read it. yesterday. Gracious of her to call ONLY HALF of Trump's supporters deplorable.
So what percentage of HER supporters are deplorable, would you think she'd say?

BTW: Funny how she praises these people as those who feel the government have let them down...when she WAS a big part of the government and administration that actually made them feel let down.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Gryphon66

Read it. yesterday. Gracious of her to call ONLY HALF of Trump's supporters deplorable.
So what percentage of HER supporters are deplorable, would you think she'd say?

BTW: Funny how she praises these people as those who feel the government have let them down...when she WAS a big part of the government and administration that actually made them feel let down.

Nope, not gracious at all I don't think, just realistic. Personally, I think she's giving Trump supporters too much benefit of the doubt but ...

Well, you know, it's one way to look at it, that Clinton was part of the government that let these folks down, or, it could be, that she was part of the government that kept the morass and debacle that was the Bush II Presidency from totally swamping the country.

Different takes, eh?

I'm not surprised at your answer, however. You only want to focus on the negative, the divisive, exactly what you're accusing Clinton of doing.

Bravo.