Anonymous goes "full 9/11 Truther"

originally posted by: facedye
a reply to: neutronflux

thank you for showing ATS that you have no knowledgeable understanding nor scholastic credibility to speak about what caused the twin towers to be reduced to rubble no more than a few floors high.

want to dispute this? great, let's start with quantifying your understanding of science.

i've taken physics courses. this is what allows me to speak about Newtonian laws. I've done enough experiments and have had enough conversations with my professors to understand what these principles mean, and how they're applied.

have you ever taken a physics course?

Your lake of understanding of failure modes of steel, metallurgy, your ability to even comment on the shear strength of WTC floor clips, and how sheared floor clips makes it impossible to transfer stain to the vertical columns only underlines your ignorance. Sorry.

a reply to: neutronflux

have you taken enough academic physics courses to substantiate this claim?

have you taken any?

a reply to: neutronflux

Your lake of understanding of failure modes of steel, metallurgy, your ability to even comment on the shear strength of WTC floor clips, and how sheared floor clips makes it impossible to transfer stain to the vertical columns only underlines your ignorance. Sorry.

it's just interesting to me - being a physics student myself, you refuse to confirm that you've ever taken a scientific class on the subject (because you haven't), and yet go on and on about how nobody here understands "failure modes of steel, metallurgy, shear strength of WTC floor clips, or the transferring of strain to vertical columns."

you have a hard enough time writing in complete sentences and thoughts.

seriously - do you express any understanding of "failure modes of steel," "sheared floor clips" and "the transferring of strain to vertical columns" outside of 9/11?

when have you been educated on any of these concepts?

a reply to: facedye

And you have never expressed how the energy of collapse was transferred from the up most static floor at the point of collapse to the rest of the remaining tower.

For a "physics" student, the only term you know is Newtonian. Strange that's a Gage talking point.

And it is obvious you know nothing about metallurgy and building design. How dare those little floor clips fail.

You never answered the questions concerning pulverization and the energy required. You only expressed emotional arguments, like what does this picture look like. Never stated facts or figured for debate.

You are here to rant, and for you to say otherwise is intellectual dishonesty. So sad.

And my grammar and spelling are off. Don't throw pearls among swine. I already waste too much time here as it is.

You don't care about the truth. You just need the government to be in control of everything because it's too painful for you to think the government lost control, and a few evil people caused chaos.

Forget the controlled demolitions already. You're NEVER going to unite the nation behind them. The Balkan's is where the focus should be:

a reply to: neutronflux

it's strange that I'm bringing up Newtonian physics as a physics student because Richard gage brings it up too?

LOL

it's probably strange to you because you've never taken a physics class. or am I wrong about that?

a reply to: facedye

it's probably strange to you because you've never taken a physics class. or am I wrong about that?

I have taken physics in collage and the OS makes total sense.

a reply to: samkent

have you? in collage? you mean college?

okay, in that case you can agree with the fact that physical laws are observable everywhere, regardless of context.

where else can I see a process similar to the collapse of the twin towers?

can you point to any other physical process you know of that can equate to what we all saw happen to the twin towers?

a reply to: facedye

I'll answer that. The answer is no.

But it's only because amazing things happen in 'Murica and everyone hates us for our freedom. We're the superheroes fighting against evil villains! So it's only natural that the laws of physics can be broken here many times in one day!

It's because we're THAT awesome!

Now grab your Bible, your guns, and your flag and let's show Islam what we're made of!!!

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: facedye

I'll answer that. The answer is no.

But it's only because amazing things happen in 'Murica and everyone hates us for our freedom. We're the superheroes fighting against evil villains! So it's only natural that the laws of physics can be broken here many times in one day!

It's because we're THAT awesome!

Now grab your Bible, your guns, and your flag and let's show Islam what we're made of!!!

Your ignorance is on full display. You only see a whole building going down. You don't see energy transfer. Potential energy. The falling load releasing kinetic energy that was there from the falling mass having potential energy due to its height. The thermodynamics as the steel heats, contracts, and cools. The metallurgy and steel crystalline structure as it is exposed to heat, cooling, and strain. The transmission of force striking the static floor decking, and how floor clips must stay intact before the energy can be transferred to the vertical columns. The shear strength and failure modes of the floor to columns connections.

Your little mind is stuck on three laws of physics. To see the effects of the collapse on the many different columns, beams, connections, welds, and mechanical fasteners, you need to speak in terms of potential energy, kinetic energy, energy of deformation, brittleness of welds, yield strength of threaded fasteners, shear strength of floor connections, thermal dynamics, metallurgy, crystalline structure of steel, properties of insulation, and failure modes of structural steel.

You really don't get how Newton's laws were increases in understanding by the latter defining of potential energy. Or how limited your overall knowledge really is.

So funny, sad, and ironic to see your gloating of your ignorance. Another reason sane people avoid conspiracists. It really is a religion.

And you still cannot describe how the floors had stored energy before falling. How and what kind of energy hit the static part of the towers. How that energy striking the static floor decking was transferred and at what speeds.

a reply to: neutronflux

oh, so you understand newton's laws?

where did you learn about Newtonian physics? school? youtube? Wikipedia?

Your little mind is stuck on three laws of physics. To see the effects of the collapse on the many different columns, beams, connections, welds, and mechanical fasteners, you need to speak in terms of potential energy, kinetic energy, energy of deformation, brittleness of welds, yield strength of threaded fasteners, shear strength of floor connections, thermal dynamics, metallurgy, crystalline structure of steel, properties of insulation, and failure modes of structural steel.

where did you gain the experience and knowledge base to discuss these physical properties?

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: facedye

I'll answer that. The answer is no.

But it's only because amazing things happen in 'Murica and everyone hates us for our freedom. We're the superheroes fighting against evil villains! So it's only natural that the laws of physics can be broken here many times in one day!

It's because we're THAT awesome!

Now grab your Bible, your guns, and your flag and let's show Islam what we're made of!!!

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: facedye

I'll answer that. The answer is no.

But it's only because amazing things happen in 'Murica and everyone hates us for our freedom. We're the superheroes fighting against evil villains! So it's only natural that the laws of physics can be broken here many times in one day!

It's because we're THAT awesome!

Now grab your Bible, your guns, and your flag and let's show Islam what we're made of!!!

Your ignorance is on full display. You only see a whole building going down. You don't see energy transfer. Potential energy. The falling load releasing kinetic energy that was there from the falling mass having potential energy due to its height. The thermodynamics as the steel heats, contracts, and cools. The metallurgy and steel crystalline structure as it is exposed to heat, cooling, and strain. The transmission of force striking the static floor decking, and how floor clips must stay intact before the energy can be transferred to the vertical columns. The shear strength and failure modes of the floor to columns connections.

Your little mind is stuck on three laws of physics. To see the effects of the collapse on the many different columns, beams, connections, welds, and mechanical fasteners, you need to speak in terms of potential energy, kinetic energy, energy of deformation, brittleness of welds, yield strength of threaded fasteners, shear strength of floor connections, thermal dynamics, metallurgy, crystalline structure of steel, properties of insulation, and failure modes of structural steel.

You really don't get how Newton's laws were increases in understanding by the latter defining of potential energy. Or how limited your overall knowledge really is.

So funny, sad, and ironic to see your gloating of your ignorance. Another reason sane people avoid conspiracists. It really is a religion.

And you still cannot describe how the floors had stored energy before falling. How and what kind of energy hit the static part of the towers. How that energy striking the static floor decking was transferred and at what speeds.

Thanks for the insults. But if we're strictly going by physics, would you kindly explain how a 767 of that size and weight can penetrate a structural steel facade that was designed to take the impact of a 767 ( as per the WTC architect himself.)

Watch all the videos. Perfect penetration. As many have said "like a knife through hot butter."

When in reality the plane would've absorbed a tremendous amount of energy, sending a shockwave through the fuselage and causing the large pieces of the plane to break off and land on the streets of Manhattan.

That would've been evidence. So conveniently, that didn't happen.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Asked you this first.


And you still cannot describe how the floors had stored energy before falling. How and what kind of energy hit the static part of the towers. How that energy striking the static floor decking was transferred and at what speeds.

Are you here to debate or just rant.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

But if we're strictly going by physics, would you kindly explain how a 767 of that size and weight can penetrate a structural steel facade that was designed to take the impact of a 767 ( as per the WTC architect himself.)
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Can you define impact. Are you suggesting the impact of a jet against the tower would instantaneous stop all momentum, cause the jet to simply crumple up, fall straight down? The tower would not move, give, or deform in any way?

More on the jet impact.

www.metabunk.org...

Purdue WTCmodel
youtu.be...

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

But if we're strictly going by physics, would you kindly explain how a 767 of that size and weight can penetrate a structural steel facade that was designed to take the impact of a 767

There's no need for physics here, because it's only verbal confusion in operation.

The WTC's steel facade wasn't designed to withstand aircraft impacts. That's a crazy idea, it's not possible for cladding consisting of a thin metal lattice and glass to withstand very much at all.

("Thin" here is a relative term. Obviously the architectural meaning of 'thin' is not the same 'thin' as you and I think of when we take a kleenex from the box).

The buildings themselves were designed to withstand a plane impact. As in, they were built sturdily enough to absorb a hit from a plane and stay upright. But the impact that was hypothesized was that of a 707, which is around 10,000lbs lighter than the eventual 767 that arrived instead, and the speed used in the engineering calculations was around half that of those 767s.

(The reason being that 707 routes flew by the WTC site area at the time of construction, and it was imagined that a low-flying plane might get lost in fog, as had happened to the Empire State building decades earlier).

So the WTC towers actually did pretty well to withstand the impact of a much bigger plane than expected, at far higher speed than expected. What the WTC designers hadn't planned for was long-lasting fires weakening the structural supports.

This was a bit daft, since obviously an airplane strike would have caused a fire, what with planes being full of fuel and all.

It's not clear whether no precautions were taken or whether inadequate precautions were taken. Either way, the combination of devastating core-deep impacts and long-lasting high-temperature fires eventually had the results we all know about.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
would you kindly explain how a 767 of that size and weight can penetrate a structural steel facade that was designed to take the impact of a 767 ( as per the WTC architect himself.)

Care to show us a source where the WTC architect said that?

a reply to: neutronflux

care to provide any scientific model that captures the collapse?

originally posted by: facedye
a reply to: neutronflux

care to provide any scientific model that captures the collapse?

Please list what is faulty with the model. Or would that interrupt a rant or two.