Why Donald Trump is Losing...and How He Can Win.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth
It doesn't anger me when people talk about American corruption. It angers me when people talk about rigging our elections. Don't conflate those two conversations because they are completely different. For one, I have additional proof that elections are rarely ever rigged and they are NEVER rigged to the point they would flip a national election.

There is ZERO basis in reality in suggesting that our elections are or will be rigged. None. Whatsoever!

What proof do you have that election rigging is not a problem?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: enlightenedservant
The link I provided is called the "Corruption Perceptions Index". It is an index calculated by DIRECTLY asking the public of the country they live in how corrupt they think their country is.

Isn't that just describing the perception of corruption though? I mean, we're the largest illegal drug market in the world (I think). But things like our nationwide distribution network for illegal substances, and our large scale system of strip clubs/escort services/brothels/prostitution/porn networks don't count towards that corruption ranking? Or the existence of organized crime rings in virtually every city in America, be they child porn rings, human trafficking rings, street gangs, crime families, etc?

I'll look into the article to see what it's actually saying. But I'm thinking we have to agree on what constitutes "corruption" before I can go any further on this.

a reply to: UKTruth
Just edited my post but here is the link again:
Donald Trump's baseless claims about the election being 'rigged'
But a simple google search will yield PLENTY of sources that all say the same thing. It doesn't happen to any credible level.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Krazysh0t

To be fair, our corruption is largely legalized. Bribes can come in any number of legal ways, like campaign donations, consultation fees, finder's fees, facilitation fees, donations to charities owned by family members, hiring friends and/or family members in exchange for goods, etc. And if you ever get bored enough to look into high priced art deals, you'll also see some examples of legalized money laundering (such as THIS).

Not to mention, there are numerous legal conflicts of interest for US Presidents, Vice Presidents, and Congressmen when it comes to business ties. Cheney owned millions of dollars worth of Halliburton stock options when he was VP (whose value increased something like 3000% while he was in office). And he still received a "deferred salary" ranging from $162,392 to $205,298 a year (note: I could only find the deferred salaries from 2001 through 2004). This article HERE goes into everything I mentioned in this paragraph, as well as some of Rumsfeld's investments while in the Bush administration.

...and not to mention the millions of dead around the world because of covert American nation building since the end of WWII.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: -Blackout-
Hillary is so disliked it might not even matter in the end. Her popularity factor is bottom of the barrel.

Hillary is the number two worst liked candidate in US History. Do you know who the number one worst liked candidate is in US history? Donald Trump.

So I wouldn't be so quick to talk about Hillary's unpopularity.

I've tried to tell them but Trump supporters never listen. They nominated the one Republican that Hillary can beat. She was either tied or trailing Rubio & Cruz in nearly every poll. Virtually any Republican that presented himself/herself as a "compassionate conservative" would've beat her too.

Hell, I don't even LIKE most of the Republican platform and I would have voted for one or two of them over her.

I still might vote Jill Stein over her. It just depends if my State's race is close or not.

I can't do that. I see Trump as a HUGE problem if elected. Someone who will make everything worse for everyone because he doesn't understand the processes he's trying to "fix". So at the very least, Hillary needs to win just so he doesn't. Granted there are other reasons I want Hillary to win (like the SCOTUS nominations), but Trump losing is pretty high up there on my list of things that needs to happen in November, and Hillary is the only one with a shot at doing that.

I understand where you're coming from. I campaigned HARD against Hillary during the Dem primary season & voted for Bernie (though I favored O'Malley before he dropped out). But my State is dominated by Repubs, so it probably won't even be close. So if it's looking like a huge Trump victory, I'll vote Stein to increase the Green Party's presence. But if it's close, I'll hold my nose & vote Hillary.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

The way I see it, with all this talk in the media about the government's corruption yet the public's perception of total corruption is still low compared to the rest of the world, that is a good thing. I mean compare our result (16) to Russia (119) for instance. The thing is, everyone talks about US corruption like it is in a vacuum, yet there are near two hundred other countries in the world. It's easy to think of ourselves as overly corrupt when just looking at us, but if you expand the scope to the whole world you remember that there are countries that have problems FAR worse than we do that allow corruption FAR easier than we do.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth
Just edited my post but here is the link again:
Donald Trump's baseless claims about the election being 'rigged'
But a simple google search will yield PLENTY of sources that all say the same thing. It doesn't happen to any credible level.

So Politifact is your reality? Good to know.
Maybe you'll link Snopes next.

For a minute there I thought you had some actual proof.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: xstealth

And? What does that poll have to do with me saying I would have voted for another Republican candidate over Hillary?

Nothing I accidentally replied to you.

But, I would like to bring something up with you.

If I go file a lawsuit against you using an anonymous name, claiming you raped me as a minor, you wouldn't have a problem with me telling everyone you've been formally accused of being a rapist, right?

Because that's exactly what you just did to Trump under the same circumstances.

a reply to: Indigo5

I guess a candidate should score high on credibility as well as likeability with the latter being marginally less relevant than the former. Neither Clinton or Trump are scoring high on likeability and it's probably a waste of time to investigate the credibility side of things lol.

Perhaps it's blanket evidence that the political classes are increasingly out of touch?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth
Just edited my post but here is the link again:
Donald Trump's baseless claims about the election being 'rigged'
But a simple google search will yield PLENTY of sources that all say the same thing. It doesn't happen to any credible level.

So Politifact is your reality? Good to know.
Maybe you'll link Snopes next.

For a minute there I thought you had some actual proof.

Oh yeah I forgot that your close mindedness prevents you from reading certain sources. Here is an actual organization that tracks voter fraud:
Brennan Center for Justice

a reply to: xstealth

Really? I don't remember filing any lawsuits. I DO recall using my freedom of speech to express an opinion I hold in a medium that allows such exchanges though.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The way I see it, with all this talk in the media about the government's corruption yet the public's perception of total corruption is still low compared to the rest of the world, that is a good thing. I mean compare our result (16) to Russia (119) for instance. The thing is, everyone talks about US corruption like it is in a vacuum, yet there are near two hundred other countries in the world. It's easy to think of ourselves as overly corrupt when just looking at us, but if you expand the scope to the whole world you remember that there are countries that have problems FAR worse than we do that allow corruption FAR easier than we do.

Perception of corruption or even widespread corruption is not low in America. Most Americans think the govt is widely corrupt.

a reply to: UKTruth

Where's your proof?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth

Where's your proof?

www.gallup.com...

Not only do a significant majority think the govt is corrupt, they think there is widespread corruption.
This is why election rigging is not something to be ignored.
Politifact is no arbiter of the truth.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Above all other metrics..."Likability" is still the most solid predictor of who wins Presidential Elections.

Who you would like to have a beer with...even if you don't drink.

Wish it wasn't so, but that's the way the US electorate rolls.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: xstealth

Really? I don't remember filing any lawsuits. I DO recall using my freedom of speech to express an opinion I hold in a medium that allows such exchanges though.

You did say Trump was accused of being a rapist of a minor. One anonymous person filed a lawsuit claiming that and never showed up to court.

So if that's being accused, then I could easily accuse you of the same thing after filing a simple anonoymous suite.

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Kandinsky

Above all other metrics..."Likability" is still the most solid predictor of who wins Presidential Elections.

Who you would like to have a beer with...even if you don't drink.

Wish it wasn't so, but that's the way the US electorate rolls.

For your horse to win, you better hope that is not the case!

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Kandinsky

Above all other metrics..."Likability" is still the most solid predictor of who wins Presidential Elections.

Who you would like to have a beer with...even if you don't drink.

Wish it wasn't so, but that's the way the US electorate rolls.

I totally agree...

I don't think Trump would even let me shine his shoes much less have a personal exchange.

However I have partied with Gov. Gary Johnson and worked in his media pool. Very nice man!!!

I have a warmer feeling for Clinton than Trump. But I doubt I will vote for either one.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Kandinsky

Above all other metrics..."Likability" is still the most solid predictor of who wins Presidential Elections.

Who you would like to have a beer with...even if you don't drink.

Wish it wasn't so, but that's the way the US electorate rolls.

I totally agree...

I don't think Trump would even let me shine his shoes much less have a personal exchange.

However I have partied with Gov. Gary Johnson.

I have a warmer feeling for Clinton than Trump. But I doubt I will vote for either one.

I think maybe Johnson would be the funniest to have a drink with...after a couple of joints the rest of the night would be laughing at everything and anything.
Trump would be interesting, but he'd talk a lot about himself, I suspect.
Hillary? I never would want to have a drink with her - she'd cough up phlegm all over me and my pint, and probably try and steal my wallet out of my back pocket when I got up to pay for my round at the bar.

No government corruption? Hmmm...I see. You mean like the DNC primaries?

As far as likability? The latest CNN(Clinton News Network) not the RCP average shows Trump with a +3 favorability over Hillary.

People are fed up.