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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux

I know what ACARS is. Apparently you do not. I am a licensed Amateur Radio licensed holder. I remember when ACARS came to the market.

Yes, it is a glorified test messaging system, with ground based and air based computers talking to each other.

93 did not crash in that field in Pennsylvania. That you believe the official story is a personal problem for you, not me.

Then produce the ACARS message that originated from flight 93 after the crash!

ACARS is not a location system.

ACARS is only a radio text messaging system that communicates in data bursts! Not a continuous and uninterrupted data stream.

Again, the only thing you have was ACARS trying to find and uplink to a destroyed jet! Similar to a cellphone system placing voice mail in the system when a cellphone is destroyed! Only, ACARS does not stay connected to aircraft all the time. Only in periodic data bursts.

Radar, used for aircraft tracking, was backed by in air visual verification of flight 93! An actual tracking system tracked flight 93 to the crash site! Which is backed by physical evidence and local witnesses!

a reply to: neutronflux

You cannot consistently spell the acronym correctly, so why should I take you seriously?

Informer provided those bloody time stamps you need to distract from the main point, and you now want them again?

Your position is so desperate that you seek only to stir the pot, not engage in rational and honest discussion.

Just as Coroner Miller said, there was no wreckage in that field that suggested an airliner had crashed there.

It's 15 years later--get over it.

Yup....like my post being on the ramp, next to a widebody......they are the size of a mountain.......now if someone wants to be known as the kind of person that just dismisses that then,,,,,ha, yea

Give me six hours there right now with a track hoe excavated....I just buried a horse in three buckets scooped......nine feet deep, God rest " Baya ".....50 mile endurance runner....

A bucket four feet six inches wide.....I can be shelfed down to thirty five feet in three hours......, going for more making good time....shut down the Hal9000 replies till ya address the track hoe failure at the sight. Can ya tell I run the big jobs here in Texas cause we're men of action.....which is why the Hal9000 bit is called out ....I can get down through ninety feet with a Cat 974 pushing my dig out.....

Hey, throw a bit of common sense in now and then and the truth means something, shame on those whom lack vision that disallows the truth to mean something......

a reply to: Salander

And you cannot even produce a simple time stamp! So pitiful!

a reply to: neutronflux

I was into the proverbial Big Picture many years ago sir, so it's hard to get worked up over time stamps.

911 was an inside job, all the way. As Miller said, there was nothing in that field consistent with a wrecked airliner.

a reply to: Salander

You cannot even prove your allegations.

You cannot prove how the ACARS messaging system is used to locate an aircraft if the aircraft does not send a transmitted data burst.

You cannot even provide the time stamp of your smoking gun.

Neutron, baby....you don't want to be known for confusing the issue till we forget.....

I'm hereby giving this pertinent thread a newtonflush

Those aircraft are the size of a forty story building...think of it that way...

The aircraft in question were sent to the rondesvous area....how do you spell rodesvous?

Right near the training by coincidence practice area to the east nor'easter 60miles

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
Neutron, baby....you don't want to be known for confusing the issue till we forget.....

I'm hereby giving this pertinent thread a newtonflush

Those aircraft are the size of a forty story building...think of it that way...

Forty story building? How about an aluminum straw about as long as a 12 story building.

www.emporis.com...

Length of a 757: 155 ft
Wingspan of 757: 126 ft
Max take of weight: 220,000 lbs

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The Grande at Santa Fe Place is a high-rise residential building in San Diego, California, United States composed of two towers of equal height. The 39-story towers have a height of 420 feet (130 m) and are a prominent fixture in San Diego's skyline.

Weight:

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NBC Building is the 29th tallest building in San Diego, California and is a prominent fixture in San Diego's skyline. The 23-story skyscraper has a height of 339 ft (103 m) and is located in the Horton Plaza district of Downtown San Diego and was home to the area NBC owned and operated station KNSD until 2016.

The truth movement's perspective has NO bases in reality. That is why its useless to depend on their facts and engage them in debate.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
The aircraft in question were sent to the rondesvous area....how do you spell rodesvous?

Right near the training by coincidence practice area to the east nor'easter 60miles

I guess hurricane preparedness training brings hurricanes by using your logic.

Or testing tornado sirens and the emergency broadcasting system brings disasters.

Was the training textbook, web based, walk through, part of a yearly or quarterly requirement?


How many square miles in a circle with a 60 mile radius? Yeap coincided?

About 11,000 square miles by the way.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

You are the one that makes statements totally void of fact and reality?

Let's start simple? The training?
Is it training that is scheduled? Is it training that is required monthly, quarterly, annually, ever two years?

Was the training classroom, web based, to test communication's protocols, walk throughs, or real time scenarios?

Was the training local, state, district, or national?

a reply to: GBP/JPY

Forty storey building get a grip to many
I think

a reply to: Salander

I know what ACARS is.

Can You then describe how we know that 93 did hear the message? Did 93 send an ACK to verify it received the message?

Yea, I was taking literary license to embellish an obvious leveraged point, like when I posted they were big as a mountain....

Thusly proving the contenance of the other replies as possibly from another planet....as far as their human-ness to be capable of the back and forth.....but it went over their heads....pfffftt

Hal9000 syndrome running rampant, I spot that stuff right away every time

a reply to: wmd_2008

Yea, I was taking literary license to embellish an obvious leveraged point, like when I posted they were big as a mountain....

Thusly proving the contenance of the other replies as possibly from another planet....as far as their human-ness to be capable of the back and forth.....but it went over their heads....pfffftt

Hal9000 syndrome running rampant, I spot that stuff right away every time


Have track hoe, will travel....




a reply to: wmd_2008

a reply to: GBP/JPY

Big aluminum straw when unload and unfueled weights in at 134,000 lbs vs a 40 story building which would be over 400 ft tall?

That is the problem with the truth movement! They would rather try to manipulate people with sensational exaggerations to invoke false conceptions than use actual facts and evidence for honest debate.

originally posted by: Phage
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LOL

really now

a reply to: rayjoh

Whether or not the humans on the ground and in the air are exchanging texts, the computers that run the system are communicating. That is the same thing with cellphones. Whether or not the phone is being used, the computers communicate for their own purposes, and those communications and "log ins" are recorded.

With 93, the communications between the computers on the ground and in the air were recorded, and that was all shown in the depositions for the Moussaoui trial.

The fatal flaw to the official story is that the ACARS computers were still communicating (no human message, only computer activity) 30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in PA, and the VHF tower through which that communication happened was based in Illinois.

As the coroner said, there was no evidence consistent with a crashed airliner in that field. It was still flying near to Illinois.

a reply to: Salander

Wrong. ACARS only communicates with in air flights in data bursts. Like walkie-talkies or CB radios.

Please tell us how ACARS, a radio burst text broadcasting system, can be used to locate aircraft on the move.

Please tell us how you think ACARS can track in air flights at any given minute?

Please tell use what ACARS capabilities flight 93 had. Example: was flight 93 able to data burst engine management data through ACARS? Why are there no flight 93 ACARS transmissions after the flight 93 crash?

Please at least give a time stamp of a data burst from flight 93 from the ACARS logs that proves flight 93 was in the air after the crash?