Are any masons on ATS Christians?

I read a lot of the debates on the Masonic conspiracy threads. There is a well organized group of pro-masons here, that basically defend and deny any and all criticism of their group.

They say its not satanic and all that. They say its open to all religions. So I am just asking whether any of you are christians or budists or for that matter.

I would guess (and from what I've seen) that the majority of them are Christians.

Any particular reason why?


I ask because the question seems like bait to draw out a particular response (sorry if this was not your intent).

Haven't you read the threads?!?! Of course not, they're all devil worshippers!!!!!

Just kidding all you masons out there

Originally posted by tovenar
So I am just asking whether any of you are christians or budists or for that matter.

Wouldn't the better question be are there any non-christian masons here? Ie Muslim or Jewish or whathave you?

Also, you imply that the masons here are organized liars. Why beleive them when they say they are christians?

However, we do know that there is at least a minimum of cooperation between two masons here, however they were investigated and banned.

Originally posted by Nygdan
However, we do know that there is at least a minimum of cooperation between two masons here, however they were investigated and banned.

That's interesting, do you have any more details?

All mason's have to have a belief in a supreme being, and therefore are followers of one of the faiths around the world.

I have met a mason who doesn't claim to be a part of any religion, but does believe in a supreme being and generally practises all religions basic teachings, ie respect for fellow man, help those in need etc etc, but doesn't agree with anyone religion in totality.

With the particular mention of Christianity I recently read an article, which is on a masonic site, by it is from a member of the church clergy, and therefore to lie would be a sin. With that in mind I take it as a pretty good source, for people on both sides who are on sure.

There are plenty of masons, who are not christian and are therefore unsure of the compatability and then are many more Christians who do not know about Masonry and again are unsure.

The article is on this site

Article Source

But in typical fashion I cannot find the exact article.

I will look when I have a bit more time, but I think the best source is someone who is involved in both, rather than someone invovled in half.

Originally posted by djohnsto77


That's interesting, do you have any more details?

Sure. Its not actually all that interesting tho.

In brief two mason posters, whom, I shoudl state, I normally had the utmost repsect for, were having problems with a particularly slanderous anti-mason poster. So one of them started researching his background. Apparently the guy had posted to other public forums under his ats name so it was easy enough to know who was who. The researcher accumulated some amount of information on him, including his real name and at least a court case against him. The researcher, via u2u, communicated some of this to the other mason in question. I suppose they confered and discussed it (no idea how many u2u's passed between them). Then at least one of them started to post the information here, but not, i think, the real identity of the person they were investigating. That person complained to administration.
Administration investigated and found that the two had researched him, used the U2U system to communicate this stuff, and had even more information about him, along with various other Terms of Serivce abuses. So they were banned.
One of the two bannees even went to so far as to alter his sig file, to communicate that there was a conspiracy against him and to go to such and such chat room to discuss. I think he, but not the other, is on 'universal ignore' now.

Originally posted by Nygdan
In brief two mason posters, whom, I shoudl state, I normally had the utmost repsect for, were having problems with a particularly slanderous anti-mason poster. So one of them started researching his background. (....)

Interesting indeed, I never imagined that something like that could ever happen.

The reason I asked was because I been looking through old threads. A lot of objections to masons seem to be coming from right-wing christians. I read posts where a couple of the masons said that they were not personally christians, but that there was no reason why a christian couldn't be a mason.

I understand that masons were open to christians joining. My question was just whether many chrisitans did so.

I am also curious if more masons are for one political party or the other, but I didnt know how to ask that in a way that wasnt leading.

Originally posted by tovenar

I understand that masons were open to christians joining. My question was just whether many chrisitans did so.

At one time, one had to be a Christian in order to be a Mason. This requirement was lifted in the 18th century during the Enlightenment, when Deism became popular, and many Deists became Masons. Jews and Muslims were also admitted for the first time.

Today, the vast majority of Masons are Christians, but a minority belong to other religions. There are still several Masonic organizations that one must be a Christian in order to join, most notably, the Knights Templar, Red Cross of Constantine, Royal Order of Scotland, and Masonic Rosicrucian Society.

I am also curious if more masons are for one political party or the other, but I didnt know how to ask that in a way that wasnt leading.

All Masons believe in free, democratic government, but do not always agree on partisan issues. In the USA, a great number of both Democrats and Republicans have been active Masons. I'm not a member of either party, but I lean toward the Democrats, and have never voted for a Republican for President. This could change, however, in 2008, should McCain decide to run.

Originally posted by tovenar

The reason I asked was because I been looking through old threads. A lot of objections to masons seem to be coming from right-wing christians. I read posts where a couple of the masons said that they were not personally christians, but that there was no reason why a christian couldn't be a mason.
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I am also curious if more masons are for one political party or the other, but I didnt know how to ask that in a way that wasnt leading.

Most Freemasons in the United States are christian. Right-wing Christians object to Freemasonry because of the fraternity's tolerance of all religions. They state that if we are not praying to Jesus Christ while in Lodge, but rather to a non-denominational God, then what we are doing is not christian. It's silly and it shows their intolerance for other beliefs.



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From what I know, the Masonic doctrine contradicts some of the fundamentals of Christianity, not to mention its ties with the Illuminati, which is flat-out Satan--or should I say Lucifer--worship.

Originally posted by southern_cross3
From what I know, the Masonic doctrine contradicts some of the fundamentals of Christianity, not to mention its ties with the Illuminati, which is flat-out Satan--or should I say Lucifer--worship.

Most of the members of the Illuminati were Deists, which means they didn't even believe in satan, much less worshiped him.

And, for the record, I agree with the Deists on this one. Satan is a rather absurd superstition that is a remnant from the dark ages. Calling us "satan worshipers" is sort of like calling us "tooth fairy worshipers" or "Easter Bunny worshipers". They're all about as real as the next one.

And this is another reason that Masonry heralded the Age of Enlightenment. It was seen that is was time to put the childish beliefs of the past, and enter a new age of reason, logic, and science, which are superstition's worst enemies.

Originally posted by southern_cross3
From what I know, the Masonic doctrine contradicts some of the fundamentals of Christianity, not to mention its ties with the Illuminati, which is flat-out Satan--or should I say Lucifer--worship.

You can not worship an adjective.

I'm a Christian Mason and haven't seen any conflicts between the two.

I'm a non-partisan voter with republican leanings (Sorry ML...but I'm very open to the McCain idea)

and

I'm right-winged... can't hardly even scratch my butt with my left

Originally posted by Golfie
I'm right-winged... can't hardly even scratch my butt with my left

Neither can a Liberal, they need a government entitlement/program to accomplish any posterior relief.

As for the idea that a Mason must be Christian, many of the Masonic (and non-Masonic) Founding Fathers were Deists, a far cry from conventional Christian Theology.

Carry on.

I've missed you Major, welcome back.

Originally posted by southern_cross3
From what I know, the Masonic doctrine contradicts some of the fundamentals of Christianity, not to mention its ties with the Illuminati, which is flat-out Satan--or should I say Lucifer--worship.

Well, SC, apparently you don't know much. NONE of the Masonic "doctrine" (as you call it) contradicts the fundamentals of Christianity. ...that only happens in the twisted minds of extremists and fundamentalists. Thinking People know otherwise.

And since it's been refuted and refuted again and again here on ATS (use the search function) I won't even touch on the second portion of your post except to say that Freemasonry has nothing to do with the ficticious Illuminati or devil worship.

Thank you for posting, though.

Does your organization attempt to get their members to vote for a particular candidate in an election?

Do they openly support a candidate and let it be known to their members?

Originally posted by tovenar

The reason I asked was because I been looking through old threads. A lot of objections to masons seem to be coming from right-wing christians. I read posts where a couple of the masons said that they were not personally christians, but that there was no reason why a christian couldn't be a mason.

I understand that masons were open to christians joining. My question was just whether many chrisitans did so.

I am also curious if more masons are for one political party or the other, but I didnt know how to ask that in a way that wasnt leading.

Some Masons may not want to reply to this post for whatever reason, but I don't mind at all. If you're keeping stats, here are mine. I'm a devout Trinitarian Christian (An Anglican to be exact. Licensed Lay-minister in the Episcopal Church-USA) and a registered, hard-core, ultra-right wing Conservative. In fact I stood in line for several hours and was literally on my feet for over 11 hours (for lack of ANY place to sit) on Labor Day 2004 when George W. Bush came to Poplar Bluff, MO on his campaign trail. Yep. I was tired. But glad I did it.