Proposal would label bullets sold in Illinois with serial numbers

I don't have to show my ID when I purchase ammo. There is no way to trace the purchase back to me.
Not to mention that most bullets are made of lead and the numbers could be scraped off with ease.

Another stupid idea.

You got to hand it to progressives, they don't stop trying...

Like all the other laws on the books, this law will have zero impact on the day to day thug violence that plagues Chicago. Politicians and leaders rather address the symptoms instead of the actual problem.

a reply to: DAVID64

I'd love to know how much that company (or its owner[s] or members of its board) have "donated" to Illinois' politicians.

What happens when you cast and reload your own bullets? Many casters out there.

Hundreds of state and federal gun laws already in existence. Background checks out the wazoo. Yes, another gun law will solve Chicago's rampant gun problems! More of the same!!

originally posted by: crazyewok
Not sure the problem.

Doesnt breach the 2nd as one can still have access to guns.

You just cant randomly shoot people which last time I checked want not a US right.

How does a serial number magically stop one from "randomly shooting" somebody? Serial numbers on guns don't stop one from "randomly shooting" somebody.

It's already illegal to "randomly shoot" somebody. Putting serial numbers on individual rounds won't make it illegal-er to do so.

This is going to stop the gun violence in Chicago how??????

a reply to: Bluntone22

In Hellinois, we have to show our FOID card before we can purchase.

That said, I'm with ya, this will do nothing to fix our violence.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I'm pretty sure they are going to number the casing, not the bullet itself.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
This is going to stop the gun violence in Chicago how??????

It won't but it will allow the politicians to claim they tried to do something without actually having to address the tough issues.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: shooterbrody
This is going to stop the gun violence in Chicago how??????

It won't but it will allow the politicians to claim they tried to do something without actually having to address the tough issues.

And they get to implement it state-wide. Even though rural counties don't have a problem with gun related violence.

Sounds like yet another brilliant liberal anti-gun law that does little to nothing to address crime, but likely would put more burden on law-abiding gun owners by creating sharp upward pressure on ammunition prices. Then again, placing a burden on law-abiding gun owners seems to be what the anti-gun agenda is really all about, isn't it?

a reply to: SlapMonkey

They stand to make millions, supplying the equipment to print the number on the casing and then collecting a royalty on each bullet printed with their technology.
What's to stop someone from scratching it out or making it unreadable? Serial numbers are filed off guns, it'd be just as easy with this.
These people just don't think ahead. They just want to be seen doing something, to make themselves look good................even when they know it won't work,.

a reply to: butcherguy

They base the entire state on what happens in Chicago. I would bet there are more shootings in Chicago in one year, than their are in rural Illinois in 10. So, what do they do? Make laws that effect people who will never benefit from them and only add a burden. They have specific laws for Chicago/Cook county, why not just make this one the same?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: lordcomac
Yep- more restrictions, more money, less freedom.

Less Freedom to do what?

Shoot people without getting caught?

Hell as been stated already it wont stop that anyway as there are ways to get round it.

Yeah- it has been stated that it won't solve *any* problems, but it *will* increase the cost of ammo.

It's another law. Laws are restrictions, the opposite of freedom.
Using my hard earned tax dollars to pay politicians to create dumb laws, then paying an agency to enforce dumb laws, and forcing corporations to increase their effort to manufacture a given product, thus increasing the cost of said product.

Less freedom for everyone involved, for something that won't make even a blemish on the problem it's a supposed solution for.
Am I wrong in some way, here?

If they want to force ammo to be manufactured with serial numbers, they'll want to force tracking who buys that ammunition next. After that comes background checks to purchase ammunition, since tracking who buys it is pointless without knowing if that person should have it. Then come laws banning anyone from using unmarked ammunition (laws that criminals won't follow, since they're criminals) and you'll have enforcement doing bag checks on hunters and at gun ranges, fining people for having unmarked ammunition. I know people who have ammo from the cold war era- making it illegal to use and forcing people to buy new ammo is, once again, less freedom.
Next thing you know, you've created a mandated, legal list of anyone buying ammo- essentially a hitlist for anyone capable of defending themselves from tyranny.

These sorts of nonsense ideas cannot be tolerated, or allowed to come to pass. I'm truly sorry criminals commit crimes- but making more laws doesn't stop someone who doesn't mind breaking one law from breaking a dozen more. If you want to stop gun crime, go buy a gun and keep it with you, prepared to use it to stop a criminal if necessary. You're not going to stop a criminal with a gun by telling them they're breaking the law.

"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." ~ Aristotle

a reply to: DAVID64

Thanks for the thread, David. Bumped appropriately,
and this from an Illinoisan:
This measure has been talked about and ridiculed
everywhere but here... because these @$$ clowns
in our state legislature seem to think it'll do us more
good than actually coming up with a viable budget
every five years or so.

It's stuff like this that also makes me kind of grateful
I moved an extra 250 miles away from Chicago..
because sometimes stupid can transmute by osmosis.

If it'll make money though, however illegitimately or
otherwise, they'll be on it like stink on a wrestler's
armpit. My apologies to you guys competing over 133lb,
at least we shower later.

PS hope my FOID renews before the CICS check gets
fully implemented.. they may find out I'm mentally alive.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: crazyewok
Not sure the problem.

Doesnt breach the 2nd as one can still have access to guns.

You just cant randomly shoot people which last time I checked want not a US right.

How does a serial number magically stop one from "randomly shooting" somebody? Serial numbers on guns don't stop one from "randomly shooting" somebody.

It's already illegal to "randomly shoot" somebody. Putting serial numbers on individual rounds won't make it illegal-er to do so.

Good points, Shamrock. I think the only missing link in the laws should
be the one tough on the perps, not the peeps.
I propose a first time offense of a firearm 'in-the-commission'
to carry ten years hard, nationwide.
It maybe won't even make a crackhead stop, much less think
as well.. but it's a step that needs to be taken, if for no other
reason to get the repeat offenders out of circulation long
enough for the rest of the population to heal up from them.

originally posted by: derfreebie

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: crazyewok
Not sure the problem.

Doesnt breach the 2nd as one can still have access to guns.

You just cant randomly shoot people which last time I checked want not a US right.

How does a serial number magically stop one from "randomly shooting" somebody? Serial numbers on guns don't stop one from "randomly shooting" somebody.

It's already illegal to "randomly shoot" somebody. Putting serial numbers on individual rounds won't make it illegal-er to do so.

Good points, Shamrock. I think the only missing link in the laws should
be the one tough on the perps, not the peeps.
I propose a first time offense of a firearm 'in-the-commission'
to carry ten years hard, nationwide.
It maybe won't even make a crackhead stop, much less think
as well.. but it's a step that needs to be taken, if for no other
reason to get the repeat offenders out of circulation long
enough for the rest of the population to heal up from them.

Chicago will not prosecute gun offenders harshly enough. You get thugs constantly being arrested with unlicensed firearms and the courts won't throw the book at them. Part of the problem too is the black community talks out of both sides of their mouths. On one hand, we complain about the violence. However, if the courts start giving out 10 years for gun offenses you'll get two and three J's and the rest of the community complaining about harsh sentencing.

I saw this not too long ago when I got called for jury duty and the case was a gun charge.

Funny stuff... So much wasted tax payer money being paid to people that think this crap up. The last thing on anyone's mind that is going to use the gun for violence is a serial number on the bullet. And if it was a concern if the number can be put on it can be removed. Also you can cast your own bullet with the millions of bullet molds easily attainable. Then use a revolver. I think people thinking this crap up have either significant financial gain by this or have no clue how guns actually work.
And once again completely ignoring the actual problem of the person that used the gun for violence.

From what I have seen in terms of the mass shootings, the shooter couldnt give a hoot where he got the bullets from and is in no way trying to be covert whilst walking around uni's, schools, shopping mall's, cities etc so this isnt going to stop that.

I guess what they starting to do is hike the price up and make it more difficult to get access to bullets, but there must be a huge number of people out there ready to pounce on this as a black market way of making money by making bullets with the no serial numbers on them, for those who wish to commit crimes and not be found out.

Not the answer it seems