The Powers that be Have a Face...and a Name

originally posted by: ssenerawa
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Can someone elaborate on what's so bad about it?

It just seems like an entity that settles disputes when a company is in a foreign country

From my understanding something like a McDonald's in Japan getting sued for let's say a no wet floor sign slip and fall..

I guess?

If I'm following it correctly, and the article is accurate...this could mean that our internal laws, if they extend beyond our shores, no longer end with a decision by the Supreme Court. This court could overrule our Supreme Court (and everything below including the President, Congress, etc.) and force us to do something we don't wish to do.

In summary...this court would be the new Supreme Court for everyone and every country. I assume they could even force a country to take refugees, force acceptance of Sharia law, overrule trade deals, etc. But I have a lot more reading to do on the subject.

It would be an International Government to our Federal Government like the Federal Government has forced itself to be over the States.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Thanks, well said.. I was wondering because of Hillary and Gary

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

I love to say I told you so.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Apparently, Obama supports this and while even the article says Hillary doesn't...
I've heard the opposite.

either the whole report is wrong, or you are.
you can't cherry pick quotes and claim something true, while disregarding quotes from the same article as false.

originally posted by: mOjOm
It allows Foreign Investors, think Global Corporations, to sue Governments in a Private Arbitration outside any laws of that Government.

In other words a giant Corp. could Sue some nation for trying to stop it doing what it wants within that nation in their pursuit of doing business.

They can already do this. Tobacco companies use the laws excessively, especially to bully poorer countries who are signed onto the deals.

originally posted by: Aazadan

They can already do this. Tobacco companies use the laws excessively, especially to bully poorer countries who are signed onto the deals.

Yes they do this already to some degree and it's increased over the years as the lawyers get better and better at twisting things the laws to their advantage.

However, there are still some restrictions and limitations to what's possible. But to a degree you're correct. The New Trade deals will loosen up those restrictions even more though.

I'm no expert or anything in this area but from what I've been reading they're really pulling out the stops with the new rules. It's bad now. Way worse than it should be and way worse than I'm sure most people are aware of, but if this stuff goes through it will be way worse. I don't think the majority of people can handle any worse. If anything we need to be scaling this back not making it worse.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Scary as hell...but here is a great overview about ISDS

Interesting post and interesting what you state. It certainly would stand to reason, all these foreign affairs and so forth with overseeing eyes on all politics of the world makes what you point out stand to reason again.

I have heard many times courts that exist that do not ask, or receive questions on their final rulings. They operate in secrecy and most buildings where these rules operate you would not even know they were courts. The kind of buildings you would probably get shot if you entered without the right to do so.

Basically, these people are making the laws for themselves and the same people that play us all off against each other. Religiously and due to our races. They love this human game of cards, sick really.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

If the TPP is not passed before the next president takes office, Hillary will usher it in right away. The TPP is super scary, and will change life as we know it.

This is big. The Bernie supporters were onto this, but no one else seems to be paying attention.

This is reason #2 to vote for Trump.

a reply to: Winstonian

Stein is, from my understanding Trump is very vocally against it. A reason I might consider voting Trump.

Hillary pays lip service against it due to Bernie, but everyone is fully aware she's been an ardent supporter of it since day 1.

Johnson is all but openly for it. Closest he comes to being against is admitting it seems to have some cronyism he's unsure of.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

No it protects investors most trade agreements have this in it. What happened is most people don't understand international trade and this is scary to them. In actuality it's not scary. Only an investor can demand arbitration and seek damages or reimbursements. When they trigger this clause they must show the state country in some way violated the rules of the treaty. For example say China since they are considering joining. And there was a US investor in a company. If China decided to say take over the business and make it state owned. Without thus arbitration clause they have no regress. They simple would lose there money. But if they violate the treaty by taking over the business then the investor gets his money returned. They cant decide any thing outside the scope of the treaty. And thr decision is to if the investor deserves some sort of compensation.

The reason this is standard in agreements is mostly dealing with third world countries. A foriegn investor does not get a fair deal in there courts but now with the treaty agreement they can actually get a judgement based on international law. There's lots of reasons to hate the TPP. But this isn't one of them.

a reply to: mOjOm

This is basically the legal framework that allows a few very wealthy "Persons" to legally own and control the Earth and everything on it or in it as they see fit.

How dare you scrutinize a conspiracy on a conspiracy website

a reply to: dragonridr

And you do not think that TPTB will try to mould this to suit their agenda? Hell, this is their product.. It's not very often something as important and as big as this get to remain unmolested from their touch.

And if this is all benign why the extreme secrecy?

a reply to: Puppylove

Yeah I should have mentioned Jill, thanks. All Dems and Progressives should be voting Stein, and all Libertarians/Conservatives should be voting for Trump.

TPP is not a joke, if they pass it we are going to see massive changes for the worse in this country.